To think that if NHS staff get a 1% pay rise that is nothing but an insult?

[Bluetoybox]

Given the joke of a pay rise given over the last 3 years, well below inflation in real terms anyway but where the Government also out and out lied by failing to mention that you'd drop an increment step to get your pay rise and now this after all the NHS have done in the last year!!! A decade capped at 1% before the 3 year review and now they want to send us right back to 1%
Absolutely disgusted!

@SpnBaby1967

Workers who've lost their jobs should be supporting these pay rises as this money ends up in the private sector in the businesses that employ them. Nurses have mortgages, run cars, buy food, buy luxury goods, take holidays, etc., etc

Right, silly me.

All those self employed whose businesses went tits up due to missing out on the grants and all those folk who worked in businesses that have folded or made redundancies should actually be really pleased that a section of workers who earned 100% of their wages 100% of the time are moaning that they wanted more money.

Gotcha

Is any of that nurses fault? Have they not earned every penny of their pay fighting a major health crisis? Will they not be spending money at the businesses concerned or what replaces them? Does the fact that some people have lost their jobs mean no-one else should ever get a patriae or fair reward for their effort?

Sorry, yes I do think you are silly. You are drinking the austerity and envy koolaid.

I’ve not read the whole thread but it is an insult. Even before Covid we were working beyond our full capacity my 22 bedded ward was frequently running at 27 sometime 30 but staffed for 22. We are a speciality and took high dependency patient many only a tiny step from needing ventilation we were only meant to have two then someone decided 4 was fine then at times we’re pushed to 6. Still staffed for 22 including a max of 2 high dependency patients. Our shifts are 12 3/4 hours but most staff didn’t get breaks get a drink or go to the loo in that time. We would frequently fill in incidence forms detailing our concerns but nothing is done about it. As I said pre covid staff were exhausted and stressed because we can’t do the job we want to do.
Now of course it’s worse we’ve worked longer hours, in even more stressful environment, we’ve supported patients in ways that we never thought we would have too, never did we think people would die without their families and friends around them, this is very traumatic for us, we’ve been afraid that we’ll catch become ill ourselves and end up in hospital (and many have), give it to our families and we’ve lost colleagues although not all some would have got it at work due to insufficient or poor PPE.
The NHS has pulled to together to care and try and save people many have been “up skilled” into areas they knew nothing about and everyone has stepped up to the plate it makes me so proud it’s what working in the NHS is about, our trust lost a doctor who went to work in a covid ward because his specialty was put on hold he knew little about caring for acutely unwell respiratory patients.
But now most staff are exhausted and traumatised by the last year. 1% is insulting.
As a ward sister I would earn just over £18 an hour I used to look at agency nurses on £30+ an hour with with significantly less responsibility and wonder what the hell Im doing.
I’ve now left I’ve taken my 30+ years experience and knowledge extensive training and commitment to my ward with me. I am a compassionate hard working nurse I’m very good at my job.
I now earn more money gets break on all shifts have less responsibility and get paid £5 an hour more it’s a no brainer.

Once again missing the point!

Please refer back to my original post before you spout your nonsense.

@SpnBaby1967

Once again missing the point!

Please refer back to my original post before you spout your nonsense.

It isn’t nonsense. For those 800k people to be re-employed and their industries to recover, the economy needs people with jobs to get out and spend money once the world opens up again. The more disposable income those with jobs have, the more money is available to create more. It’s not a difficult concept.

Yes and furlough keeps this money there to spend as well as stopping the unemployment rate from skyrocketing.

As much as people look to furlough and say it’s so easy it’s better for us all that we had it.

@tiredwardsister

I’ve not read the whole thread but it is an insult. Even before Covid we were working beyond our full capacity my 22 bedded ward was frequently running at 27 sometime 30 but staffed for 22. We are a speciality and took high dependency patient many only a tiny step from needing ventilation we were only meant to have two then someone decided 4 was fine then at times we’re pushed to 6. Still staffed for 22 including a max of 2 high dependency patients. Our shifts are 12 3/4 hours but most staff didn’t get breaks get a drink or go to the loo in that time. We would frequently fill in incidence forms detailing our concerns but nothing is done about it. As I said pre covid staff were exhausted and stressed because we can’t do the job we want to do. Now of course it’s worse we’ve worked longer hours, in even more stressful environment, we’ve supported patients in ways that we never thought we would have too, never did we think people would die without their families and friends around them, this is very traumatic for us, we’ve been afraid that we’ll catch become ill ourselves and end up in hospital (and many have), give it to our families and we’ve lost colleagues although not all some would have got it at work due to insufficient or poor PPE. The NHS has pulled to together to care and try and save people many have been “up skilled” into areas they knew nothing about and everyone has stepped up to the plate it makes me so proud it’s what working in the NHS is about, our trust lost a doctor who went to work in a covid ward because his specialty was put on hold he knew little about caring for acutely unwell respiratory patients. But now most staff are exhausted and traumatised by the last year. 1% is insulting. As a ward sister I would earn just over £18 an hour I used to look at agency nurses on £30+ an hour with with significantly less responsibility and wonder what the hell Im doing. I’ve now left I’ve taken my 30+ years experience and knowledge extensive training and commitment to my ward with me. I am a compassionate hard working nurse I’m very good at my job. I now earn more money gets break on all shifts have less responsibility and get paid £5 an hour more it’s a no brainer.

I suppose it depends on whether the agency provides sick pay, pension contributions, and annual leave as to whether it's worth it overall?

Well it was easier to be furloughed, agree not the fault of people furloughed . Disappointing it was easy to falsely claim. But we should be supporting each other rather than squabbling and campaigning against this corrupt government.
It’s so emotional to be given in reality what is a pay cut for many, after working in horrendous conditions for many months.

@Pomegranatespompom

Well it was easier to be furloughed, agree not the fault of people furloughed . Disappointing it was easy to falsely claim. But we should be supporting each other rather than squabbling and campaigning against this corrupt government. It’s so emotional to be given in reality what is a pay cut for many, after working in horrendous conditions for many months.

Yes then have our tax increased to pay for that furlong while being shit on by the people on said furlong.

Pom I know I haven’t been furloughed but it probably has been nice for some. But the private sector is not just furlough it’s also redundancies and struggling SME trying to survive.

I’m really not saying anyone’s experience isn’t true, it is. And for that I agree we can try to see another side is hard.

Yes then have our tax increased to pay for that furlong while being shit on by the people on said furlong. I disagree with this as much as the cost has been huge would you prefer the staggeringly high unemployment rate that would have occurred?

would you prefer the staggeringly high unemployment rate that would have occurred?

Sadly I think all furlough is doing now is kicking the can down the road. It’s highly unlikely that all or even most people furloughed will still have jobs at the end of this.

I don’t generally disagree with you @MarshaBradyo and yes agree we need to be balanced.
It’s not just about money. My friend we’ve into getting nightshift while her neighbours were having a family party - it was so hurtful, knowing the horrors she was going into but some people couldn’t even try to stick to the lockdown.
A lot of emotion tied up ... so I guess feels like the final straw.

Sorry for typos
*my friend went into her nightshift

Pom I bet. It’s too much to bear when you’re working so hard.

Workers who've lost their jobs should be supporting these pay rises as this money ends up in the private sector in the businesses that employ them
How does this work? If someone has lost their job, they are no longer employed, so won't be benefitting.
People say about those who have money to spend - but what about the ones who don't? Are those who have worked throughout/saved etc, really going to be able to pump all the money needed back in to the economy? What if they don't go out and spend? How do you help a small business (for example) that was screwed over by the government, has folded, and no longer exists?

It’s highly unlikely that all or even most people furloughed will still have jobs at the end of this.

It’s hard to tell but I think in many sectors just lifting restrictions will see a resurgence of demand. It’s pent up demand in many cases. In some sectors that weren’t closed (such as mine) the lag has meant furlough kicking in now rather than earlier just due to an overall slowing. I hope that picks up too.

I do think that Sunak may have thought it would be shorter furlough. And at one point tried to change terms. But I think outcry would be huge if we saw unemployment climb to really high numbers. Other countries said two years off the bat, slightly different scheme but iirc Germany said longer from outset.

But I think outcry would be huge if we saw unemployment climb to really high numbers

I’m sure it would but no amount of outcry will stop it happening if people don’t get out there and spend money. This will be the seventh recession in my life time and I’d put money on it being the worst.

@Alsohuman

But I think outcry would be huge if we saw unemployment climb to really high numbers

I’m sure it would but no amount of outcry will stop it happening if people don’t get out there and spend money. This will be the seventh recession in my life time and I’d put money on it being the worst.

It will be bad but we will spend.

People who can spend likely to spend a lot - meeting up/meals/holidays. So many events to catch up.

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Unfortunately the police have told us we can't proceed with this despite what's going on in the health service," Karen Reissman, a health worker, told the crowd gathered in the city centre.

Haha brilliant. Yes can't imagine why people can't meet outside, other people have also not been allowed...to protect the NHS.

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My sister has worked as an executive PA in the banking industry making a very good salary in the city however when she decided to work nearer to home (Twickenham, Richmond) the agencies all told her the hourly rate in the local area was approx £8.50. That's about £15k a year. That's the reality.