To think that if NHS staff get a 1% pay rise that is nothing but an insult?

[Bluetoybox]

Given the joke of a pay rise given over the last 3 years, well below inflation in real terms anyway but where the Government also out and out lied by failing to mention that you'd drop an increment step to get your pay rise and now this after all the NHS have done in the last year!!! A decade capped at 1% before the 3 year review and now they want to send us right back to 1%
Absolutely disgusted!

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

It gets worse - according to the BBC news tonight, the nurses who are giving Covid jabs are getting paid about a fifth of what doctors, dentists and pharmacists are forgetting.

Nurses are getting about £13 an hour, working up to 12 hours giving the jabs, and the doctors, dentists and pharmacists are getting up to £66 PER HOUR.

And volunteers are doing it for free. The news is misleading, they aren't all getting £66 an hour, they are getting up to- it will be proportionate to what they earn. Would you offer to do something for less than your usual hourly rate? Please never look into how much locums can command an hour if that shocks you.

@VinylDetective

Now is not the time to fight this battle

If not now, when? This is exactly the time to fight it.

Unfortunately a lot of people aren't 'grateful' as it's complex times. Lots have had treatment delayed, think that the stay home message was just for our benefit, and are facing losing their incomes themselves. To many it will come across as grabby, and whilst some might get behind it, I actually think it's not the best time.

The irony is that NHS staff wouldn’t even have to go on strike to show how underfunded and underpaid they are. They would just have to work their contractual hours and fulfil their contractual duties.

I agree they deserve so much better, but I just don't know where the money could come from ATM. The country is broke after all the lockdowns and lots of people are losing their jobs and things :( plus the postdocs who worked to develop the vaccines aren't seeing any pay rise :( it's crap for everyone rn tbh.

@Livelovebehappy

vinyldetective now isn’t the right time because we’re all bloody shot to pieces mentally and physically with what’s been happening this last 12 months. We’re finally seeing some light and emerging from this crap, and then we now have threats from the NHS of industrial action if they don’t get their reward ‘right now’.

Yes exactly this. Next year when we’re all in a much better position might be the time to fight it. Not now. Most public won’t get behind it and will make it feel like they’re whining.

Also asking for 12% just makes them look a bit stupid. At least go for something sensible and they might have a better chance.

@Racoonworld

Also asking for 12% just makes them look a bit stupid. At least go for something sensible and they might have a better chance.

It’s a starting point. Nobody asks for what they actually want.

A clap is worth more!

YANBU - it is an insult

@Countrygirl2021 Im sure that will go down well with the public who locked down to protect the NHS especially the poorer public who a. cant afford to go abroad so never brought this virus in in the first place and b. wouldnt be able to afford the fee you suggest. But lets shit on them a bit more eh!

It’s a starting point. Nobody asks for what they actually want.

But in this case they should. No one else in the public sector is getting a payrise, and we haven't even felt the full affect of lockdown yet in terms of job losses etc. It is crass to ask for 12.5% imo.

It seems that we’ve had a Tory government for so long that you have to be quite old to understand how pay negotiation works.

If you think the only way to have more money available for the good of this country is to tax Joe Public more you need to open your eyes

@VinylDetective

It seems that we’ve had a Tory government for so long that you have to be quite old to understand how pay negotiation works.

Was there a pandemic back then?

The country’s broke. 1% is above inflation. NHS staff have secure jobs and livelihoods unlike lots in the private sector. They have a pay rise unlike the rest of the public sector.

I'm a pharmacist and I would kill to get £66 an hour!! Locum rates were £30 an hour (on average) when I qualified 10 years ago, now you're lucky to get £19 an hour (bear in mind this is pre tax) for the same shifts...I dont see plumbers or carpenters or other tradespeople getting paid that little, even the golden nursing shifts at the trust I work at are at least £25 per hour. I dont locum anymore and work for the NHS but to be honest I'm pretty sick of being undervalued. I spent 5 years training full time and an additional 7 years of uni part time giving up quite a large chunk of my free time(its mandatory btw not optional) as we dont get study time at work to have had below inflation 1% rises for about 6 out of the last 10 years, pay freezes and the joke that was the 3 year pay deal. It makes me really sad that I am seriously considering leaving the NHS to go to the private sector. The reduced wages for NHS staff were always justified because we were going to get a final salary pension in comparison to private sector but that's gone now too so what exactly is the point in staying? I love my job but I'm being pushed away more with each passing year...

If the NHS gets a 12.5% pay rise then the rest of us better get the same increase as well. Teachers, shop workers, bus drivers etc we all put our lives on the line to get us through the pandemic. We were all doing our job.

I vividly remember a conversation with my colleagues this time last year saying that I bet we were never going to get a payrise again in my career because of COVID. Being the UK's biggest employer it was obvious they were going to have to cut NHS salaries. I think I'd happily accept it if it wasnt for the increase in MPs salaries at their pay review. That always makes my blood boil!

Saw this on twitter:

“In 2009, the combined wealth of the UK's richest 1,000 people was £258billion*.

As well as investing in #propaganda, many of them fund the @Conservatives.

By 2020 they had £742billion* - an INCREASE of £484billion.

Voters are being played like fiddles.

*Sunday Times Rich List

Also it is estimated at least $30 TRILLION is hoarded offshore globally. The super rich hoard everything.

The tweet above was from this person. Another good thread by him on the galloping inequality between the super rich and the rest of us. mobile.twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1359445197113950208

Nurses vote with your feet. If you are young with minimal responsibilities consider migrating to Canada. British nurses are valued there and you can double your salary

@tikha

Nurses vote with your feet. If you are young with minimal responsibilities consider migrating to Canada. British nurses are valued there and you can double your salary

You can triple it in some parts of the US.

It seems that we’ve had a Tory government for so long that you have to be quite old to understand how pay negotiation works

Was there a pandemic back then?

Nurses and other HCP's got tiny pay awards or non at all pre CV.

Govt's know they wont strike, so give them very poor pay and conditions.
IF they do take any action, the media will turn on them with a vengeance, "Angels of Death" stuff.

The current "award" has nothing to do with CV or the state of the nations finances, made worse by spending £22 billion on track and trace, thats enough to give every nurse a 20k bonus.

If you think the country is so broke that NHS nurses don't deserve a decent pay rise you're deluded. Track and trace anyone? Handing out contracts worth billions to mates? Stop fooling yourself with this nonsense and recognise NHS staff need more than clapping on your doorstep.

Most issues are caused by chronic underfunding over years, not the nurses working more hours than they're actually paid to care for their patients.

The magic money tree only exists when it benefits Tory donors' interests.

The idea that we can afford to plow billions into the pockets of private sector business owners but we can't give nurses a decent pay rise after a decade of austerity is utterly ridiculous. Sadly many people just lap this narrative up ("we can't afford it") and that is why any industrial action will not have public support.

@Eleganz

The magic money tree only exists when it benefits Tory donors' interests.

The idea that we can afford to plow billions into the pockets of private sector business owners but we can't give nurses a decent pay rise after a decade of austerity is utterly ridiculous. Sadly many people just lap this narrative up ("we can't afford it") and that is why any industrial action will not have public support.

To be honest ‘public support’ is irrelevant. If nurses went on strike the government would be forced to bow to their demands or the health service would collapse. Nurses and their unions need to toughen up.