To think that if NHS staff get a 1% pay rise that is nothing but an insult?

[Bluetoybox]

Given the joke of a pay rise given over the last 3 years, well below inflation in real terms anyway but where the Government also out and out lied by failing to mention that you'd drop an increment step to get your pay rise and now this after all the NHS have done in the last year!!! A decade capped at 1% before the 3 year review and now they want to send us right back to 1%
Absolutely disgusted!

Then why is it in the last WEEK it’s been announced that Serco are getting an EXTRA £15bn????

Why are we STILL spending money on a shit system?

It’s not “done”. It’s far from “done”. This is STILL HAPPENING

This is not an economic decision, it is a political one. The economic arguments are just window dressing.

@Eleganz - agreed

And people STILL are not being paid fairly for fucking hard jobs - NHS, teachers, police, public sector, private sector

Those at the bottom of the foot chain continue to get crapped on and I’m absolutely fucking sick of it

@Eleganz well said

Personally, I would have given each member of staff a large bonus instead.

I agree it's a slap in the face for all the hard work NHS staff have put in, however, where is the money is going to come from? The country is £billions in debt, a debt our grandchildren are still going to be paying off when we are long gone. How can we justify taking even more money from the now depleted public purse to fund the pay increase of some whilst others are losing their jobs, homes or have been forced to sit on reduced pay furlough for over a year just because they chose to work in a sector that isn't NHS.

@ohfourfoxache

And people STILL are not being paid fairly for fucking hard jobs - NHS, teachers, police, public sector, private sector

Those at the bottom of the foot chain continue to get crapped on and I’m absolutely fucking sick of it

Again, you illustrate a perfect reason why the NHS are being tone deaf complaining.

There have been LOADS of people in low paid professions who have worked their butts off and put themselves at risk over the last year who also earn a low salary and not getting a payrise..police are routinely spat at by someone declaring they have covid. And police are lucky if their PPE includes a paper mask! They cant socially distance!

Care staff as on NMW yet are an absolute credit to this country & their work helps stop hospitals being overwhelmed so people can be cared for at home. Carers need the biggest payrise of any of those you just listed.

But again, you've ignored the main point of my post. 800,000 people have lost their job, some will have lost their homes, their marriages may well have collapsed under the strain.

Its shitty that the NHS cant get a payrise, but be grateful that they've been paid all the way through this and they're full salary.

@newstart1337

NHS staff have kept their jobs and got a pay rise. Everyone else takes a pay cut and / or loses their job.

The NHS staff are taking the piss, they have
got a better deal than everyone else.

I would think a lot of nhs staff would of rather taken a 80% furlong to redecorate their houses etc over the past year than face what we did. I'm sick and tired of people saying well their lucky they have a job. Walk a mile in our shoes Tell that to the 900 staff dead because of red tape incompetence. And remember our lives were worth £60k if we died. Tell that to everyone who kept this country going. Tell that to the police who were spat at The ambulance staff attacked We are so lucky to have a job

I would think a lot of nhs staff would of rather taken a 80% furlong to redecorate their houses etc over the past year than face what we did

Furlough is the number one reason there are no pay rises. Still doesnt change the fact NHS staff were paid 100% of their salary when other people were getting 0% of their salary.

@SpnBaby1967

I would think a lot of nhs staff would of rather taken a 80% furlong to redecorate their houses etc over the past year than face what we did

Furlough is the number one reason there are no pay rises. Still doesnt change the fact NHS staff were paid 100% of their salary when other people were getting 0% of their salary.

The majority of people on furlough are low earners as well, in industries that were forced to close. Some were put on it due to childcare, but the vast majority were not. I think it's really unfair for criticising people for something that wasn't their choice, the beef should be with the government, not other people in my opinion, although it's a great way to lose support.

Yes,100% of their salary

For looking after VERY sick people. 120k plus losing their fight for life whilst staff desperately try everything they can to save them. All the while in PPE, developing their own pressure sores, many not seeing their own family in case they spread it, working extra hours +++ without a day off for weeks. Hundreds and hundreds of people battling against something they can’t see that kills people who just can’t be saved.

Fancy doing it?

Oh! But it’s all ok because THEY HAVE KEPT THEIR JOBS!!!

That makes it ALL alright!!

People aren't saying that, just that it's unfair to bring people on furlough into it who didn't have a choice in the matter. The issue is with the government, not other people.

Furlough was a necessity though, in supporting lockdown. Without it, there’s no way businesses would have agreed to close (rightly so, they would have been left high and dry).

And the major reason for lockdown was to prevent the nhs from becoming more overwhelmed than it already was.

Furlough benefited everyone ultimately.

@ohfourfoxache

Yes,100% of their salary

For looking after VERY sick people. 120k plus losing their fight for life whilst staff desperately try everything they can to save them. All the while in PPE, developing their own pressure sores, many not seeing their own family in case they spread it, working extra hours +++ without a day off for weeks. Hundreds and hundreds of people battling against something they can’t see that kills people who just can’t be saved.

Fancy doing it?

Well said.

I’ve seen many post moaning how hard furlough has been but staying home safe, not having to work and still getting the bulk of the salary isnt why I would call hard whatsoever. Hard is all those in frontline roles risking themselves and their family for others.

I hope they find a way to fund it. Increase prescription costs and chargeable for all, fee for visiting the doctor etc so we can fund the pay rise they deserve and improve services.

I’ve seen many post moaning how hard furlough has been but staying home safe, not having to work and still getting the bulk of the salary isnt why I would call hard whatsoever. Hard is all those in frontline roles risking themselves and their family for others

A little empathy perhaps? It's been shit for a lot of people, I would say most people have struggled with something, and that's okay. Someone can feel that the NHS did an incredible job without invalidating others and bringing them into it. A really nasty attitude.

I hope they find a way to fund it. Increase prescription costs and chargeable for all

Yes, pay people more at the expense of some being priced out of being able to pay for medication which improves/saves their lives. Seems fair.

@ohfourfoxache

Yes,100% of their salary

For looking after VERY sick people. 120k plus losing their fight for life whilst staff desperately try everything they can to save them. All the while in PPE, developing their own pressure sores, many not seeing their own family in case they spread it, working extra hours +++ without a day off for weeks. Hundreds and hundreds of people battling against something they can’t see that kills people who just can’t be saved.

Fancy doing it?

No, because I signed up to a different job. Its not been easy, I've been dealing with child abuse and domestic violence cases you probably couldn't even imagine.

NHS staffed signed up to deal with sick people, granted a pandemic probably wasnt at the forefront of their minds and you'll note in my first post that I clearly stated that I think they do deserve some financial recognition. As do supermarket workers, police, care workers, social workers, utility workers (the list goes on) but ultimately the government decided to pay out for furlough and a nonsense track and trace system which we will be paying off for decades more. There is no money.

But, you still gloss over the fact that despite all the crap you still got paid 100% of your wages 100% of the time. Surely if someone who has lost everything can read this, you dont think it's possible that they find the complaint a bit tone deaf??

There is money. It’s a choice not to pay it out in pay rises for nhs staff. Or for education (how much extra do you think schools are getting for increased cleaning costs?).

@pennylane83

I agree it's a slap in the face for all the hard work NHS staff have put in, however, where is the money is going to come from? The country is £billions in debt, a debt our grandchildren are still going to be paying off when we are long gone. How can we justify taking even more money from the now depleted public purse to fund the pay increase of some whilst others are losing their jobs, homes or have been forced to sit on reduced pay furlough for over a year just because they chose to work in a sector that isn't NHS.

Same way we can justify giving billions to the likes of Dido Harding. Why aren’t people angry about this and demanding it’s given back instead of shrugging and saying the money’s gone?

Surely if someone who has lost everything can read this, you dont think it's possible that they find the complaint a bit tone deaf??
Quite. I wish people could read the stories of those in the ExcludedUK group. It is heartbreaking. The destitution and misery on that group would shock a lot of people.

I do fully support payrises for all health workers (carers etc, not just nurses), as well as those in the emergency services. It is an emotive subject, as people will never agree. However, NHS employees still have 100% income, pensions, sick pay, benefits, discounts and the like - complaining about it isn't going to do anything other than get the backs up of people that have lost homes, jobs, lives, marriages etc.

^Same way we can justify giving billions to the likes of Dido Harding. Why aren’t people angry about this and demanding it’s given back instead of shrugging and saying the money’s gone?^

Completely agree but because as this thread proves, when you have a powerful media that can successfully distract the public by creating divide and rule, the huge mistakes of government can be forgotten!

@TheKeatingFive

Except most Western economies have routinely run deficits throughout the modern era. Indeed our economies are dependent upon it.

If doesn’t mean we can keep running up the deficit forever. Even at national level, money is leant with the expectation that it will be eventually be paid back.

Otherwise why would we even bother to generate revenue? Couldn’t we just borrow and borrow and borrow?

The problem is that interest rates will eventually go up and at some stage we risk being devalued as borrowers. That’s a huge problem.

Interest rates are still pretty much rock bottom, they can go up a bit without the world ending.

@SpnBaby1967

Whilst I agree that the NHS may deserve financial recognition I think it is somewhat tone deaf to be moaning about the lack of payrise when some 800,000 people lost their jobs last year.

At least the NHS staff had jobs, were still paid their full salary.

This country is broke, the nonsense lockdowns caused huge spend in furlough, people lost their jobs, their homes, their families. Moaning about a small payrise to people who now have nothing is at best uncaring at worst totally tone deaf.

The country is not broke. That concept simply doesn't apply to a entity that can print its own money.

Many of those 800,000 jobs have been lost in retail, travel, leisure and entertainment. Do you think that increasing the spending power of hundreds of thousands of people will damage those sectors further or improve them?

Workers who've lost their jobs should be supporting these pay rises as this money ends up in the private sector in the businesses that employ them. Nurses have mortgages, run cars, buy food, buy luxury goods, take holidays, etc., etc.

The fact is that public sector wage increases at a time like this are economic stimulus yet so many people have bought into this idea that this money is being taken out of the economy that they refuse to accept it.

Workers who've lost their jobs should be supporting these pay rises as this money ends up in the private sector in the businesses that employ them. Nurses have mortgages, run cars, buy food, buy luxury goods, take holidays, etc., etc

Right, silly me.

All those self employed whose businesses went tits up due to missing out on the grants and all those folk who worked in businesses that have folded or made redundancies should actually be really pleased that a section of workers who earned 100% of their wages 100% of the time are moaning that they wanted more money.

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