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Am I "allowed" to just not like certain things?

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Anycrispsleft · 04/03/2021 05:52

I have lived in Germany for about 5 years and I'm planning to leave in an year or two. We have primary school aged kids, and I went on a German parenting forum the other day to ask a quick question about primary school assessment and ended up mentioning when asked that I was planning to leave Germany, and when pressed, admitted that I don't like it here. I then got loads of comments that I wasn't trying hard enough, that of course as a SAHM I must be unfulfilled and I should have done voluntary work and found hobbies so I could make friends and so on.

Maybe I should have done all that but I don't think it would have helped. I do know a few people from the kids being in school - nice people who I like - but hanging out with people while speaking German isn't fun to me at all, it's like a German class, and after an hour or so I'm knackered and desperate to leave. I was always quite an introvert and I think in the UK I got most of my positive social interactions with work colleagues and just as you deal with strangers through your day, saying hello to the lady at the checkout in Tesco's or whatever. Those kind of small scale interactions are really hard, I find, in a foreign language - if you misunderstand one word that's it, you've missed the person's wee funny comment, and the moment is lost. It's no biggie, but (especially in these corona times) when that happens every time you talk to someone it's a bit depressing.
Other than that, I just like being in the UK! I like the way it looks, I like the weather, the food - I like home. We went abroad in the first place because DH had to move for work. We'd already lived in his home country of Switzerland for a year a long while back and I'd hated it then and told him sorry but I want to settle in the UK, and he'd agreed, and then when our kids were little he lost his job and when he couldn't immediately find a new job he started looking in the German speaking world - when he found something I, well, I might have been able to veto it but he would have spent the entire rest of our lives complaining about how his career was hamstrung by the UK, so I thought let's move and at least if I have to give my job up I will see a lot more of the kids... and it's been OK as far as it goes but I didn't exactly arrive here excited about the prospect of life in Germany, I'm still not, I still like the UK much better and is lots of things from there. Is that U? Do we need to be positive about bloody everything? I've found in my younger life that I ended up doing jobs and courses and stuff because I thought it would be good for me and I often ignored the wee voice inside that went "this is shite" and just doubled down and tried harder, and all that ended up happening as a result is that I spent more time doing shit I don't like. AIBU in saying that sometimes you just don't enjoy some things and all the effort in the world won't significantly shift your feelings, and that's probably actually fine?

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ellyeth · 05/03/2021 20:40

Even for people who hate flag waving, it is difficult to hear that the country you feel affinity - or some affinity - to is disliked by an incomer. It may feel like a personal rejection, which I suppose is fairly irrational but then human beings can be very irrational at times.

It would probably be better, as others have suggested, to say you miss the UK, your family and your friends.

ellyeth · 05/03/2021 20:41

claremmm That was really mean of your colleague.

Brefugee · 05/03/2021 20:48

Germans tend not to do the acquaintances thing, where a gang of you will go down to a bar, restaurant or to an impromptu party.

Not my experience, I've been here since the late 70s, the food is in very many ways similar to that in the UK (so much pork and sausages and beer). I find the medical system fine, but i hate their TV.

The point is that if you don't make the effort, and as the newcomer you really have to make the effort, you won't get anywhere.

A lot of my friends found the same thing as me: the school parents were VERY keen to invite me and my bilingual kids round to play, and then they'd ask if we could just all speak English. (I kept very quiet that i'm a TEFL teacher too)

Everyone is different.

(to the person in Kiel: we get our Wotsits needs covered by using the online ordering system for the English shop in Köln, along with Cheddars, Cream crackers and Polo mints)

hermesandhades · 05/03/2021 22:22

We lived in Germany for three years, everything you say has resonance, it was completely exhausting. We have such a different culture, outlook, we see the world differently and that's what makes us all interesting. I guess it's wonderful for some ans others not...it's so wonderful to be back home in England, and not feel like a child all the time. I often felt that people thought I was stupid because I couldn't express myself properly and that gets you down....sending you strength and joy when it's over. Flowers

NumberThirtySix · 06/03/2021 10:04

Completely agree with you OP. I studied abroad and was only away for a year. Despite having decent language skills I still struggled to understand. It took such an effort to do everyday tasks. And worst of all, I just couldn't express my personality because I couldn't crack jokes or say anything other than literally!!
When I came home at the end of the year, I kissed the runway tarmac and vowed I'd never live abroad again.
(I still love to travel- that is absolutely, completely different from living abroad.)

VenusClapTrap · 06/03/2021 10:15

I think one of the great joys in getting older is knowing what you like, and being able to say you don’t like other things, even when you are ‘supposed to’, and not giving a fuck. It’s very liberating.

VenusClapTrap · 06/03/2021 10:17

@Bananalanacake I am planning a stop in Flensberg in August, as part of a long road trip (if it’s allowed, of course). It looks lovely from my research!

VenusClapTrap · 06/03/2021 10:40

Flensburg

Norwaydidnthappen · 06/03/2021 10:49

I think after 5 years if you still dislike the place so vehemently, it really isn’t for you and you should consider moving back. You worded it wrong to them and should just have said you were homesick. They were offended because you slated their home country.

wilkella · 06/03/2021 12:21

I live in England ,I'm French
i had the same feeling about England and English people
I don't like this country, feel like here people are asking million times
"are you ok?" without interest if you really are
I don't like that they use personal "names" like sweetheart, love when they talk to strangers(me)
I hate two taps, carpet in kitchen or bathroom, in general feel like people are very superficial and fake. food is plain and tasteless pubs dirty and most of people have awful teeth ,weather is dull
doctors are crap doesn't matter what is your problem they prescribe paracetamol ;-)
I think it is normal how you feel, it is not your country you don't have roots here, you don't feel connected with them but how you feel about me telling you that your home country is shitty ?
not nice huh ?
you will not make a friends with that attitude

StopSearching · 06/03/2021 13:26

@wilkella

I live in England ,I'm French i had the same feeling about England and English people I don't like this country, feel like here people are asking million times "are you ok?" without interest if you really are I don't like that they use personal "names" like sweetheart, love when they talk to strangers(me) I hate two taps, carpet in kitchen or bathroom, in general feel like people are very superficial and fake. food is plain and tasteless pubs dirty and most of people have awful teeth ,weather is dull doctors are crap doesn't matter what is your problem they prescribe paracetamol ;-) I think it is normal how you feel, it is not your country you don't have roots here, you don't feel connected with them but how you feel about me telling you that your home country is shitty ? not nice huh ? you will not make a friends with that attitude
I'm English and I agree with everything you say Grin
VegetarianDeathCult · 06/03/2021 14:42

@wilkella

I live in England ,I'm French i had the same feeling about England and English people I don't like this country, feel like here people are asking million times "are you ok?" without interest if you really are I don't like that they use personal "names" like sweetheart, love when they talk to strangers(me) I hate two taps, carpet in kitchen or bathroom, in general feel like people are very superficial and fake. food is plain and tasteless pubs dirty and most of people have awful teeth ,weather is dull doctors are crap doesn't matter what is your problem they prescribe paracetamol ;-) I think it is normal how you feel, it is not your country you don't have roots here, you don't feel connected with them but how you feel about me telling you that your home country is shitty ? not nice huh ? you will not make a friends with that attitude
But the OP wasn't trying to make friends, she was on an anonymous internet forum in Germany asking a question about primary school that identified her as a resident foreigner, and then in answer to a question about why she was leaving Germany, admitted to not liking living there. I doubt she wanders about the streets of her locality, buttonholing passing locals and telling them their country is crap, any more than I did once we'd decided to leave the US.

And honestly, I think that anyone other than slightly mad xenophobes, UKippers and lunatics can cope with criticism of their country, or hearing that an individual person doesn't like living in it and is planning to leave.

Bythemillpond · 07/03/2021 15:20

I don't like this country, feel like here people are asking million times
are you ok?" without interest if you really are
I don't like that they use personal "names" like sweetheart, love when they talk to strangers(me

I hate two taps, carpet in kitchen or bathroom, in general feel like people are very superficial and fake. food is plain and tasteless pubs dirty and most of people have awful teeth ,weather is dull
doctors are crap doesn't matter what is your problem they prescribe paracetamol

I agree with every word except I don’t think I have had 2 taps since the 70s and have never had carpet in the kitchen or bathroom ever and I don’t know a single person who does or did. A very strange concept

Bythemillpond · 07/03/2021 15:23

Also the doctor comment. I think you give them too much credit to actually prescribe anything
It is more of come back in a couple of weeks and we will see how you are

AgentJohnson · 07/03/2021 17:36

I love the U.K from a distance and it too Brexit to admit to myself that I probably won’t return. I live in the Netherlands and I probably think that has a lot to do with it, I’d probably feel differently if I live elsewhere in Europe.

oblada · 07/03/2021 17:47

You've given it a good go so fair enough. But yes probably natural for ppl to be defensive.

Everyone is different re immigrating. Personally I'm not fussed where I live. Im French, I live in the UK, I am happy because ultimately I have the income/space/home I want for my kids and I adjust to the rest. I don't disagree with the comments above from the pp but then similar things could be said about France / French people (in different contexts of course). The people are very much the same everywhere at the end of the day and everything else is about adjusting.
Culture is such a superficial thing in my view. I am quite comfortable anywhere really. So is my DH (Indian). I wouldn't mind going to India in later life. Or anywhere else for that matter.

But everyone is different. My brother couldn't live outside of France on a permanent basis. Nor could my parents

ChocolateSantaisthebestkind · 07/03/2021 17:55

YANBU OP. We lived in Switzerland for a year pre kids and I can honestly say, I have never been so miserable in all of my life! It wasn't that people were horrible or anything, I just found the culture so alien and peopleseemed very standoffish, I just couldn't find my groove. We also worked with Ultra High Net Worth folk doing luxury concierge and the majority of the clients were difficult to please, and antisocial hours didn't help in making friends.

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