Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

I am pleased. The right decision has absolutely been made.

She was educated here, radicalised here and failed by the system here, she’s a British problem.

I think it’s far too easy to wash our hands of a problem we had a part in creating. I can’t imagine us being too happy if a country wanted to repatriate a Brit born, raised and radicalised in their country to the UK.

This is more about looking tough than any threat.

This shouldn’t be about forgiveness, or whether she is able to be rehabilitated, or whether she was radicalised/groomed/whatever or indeed whether she was a child at the time. Or whether she is brown.

This is about the fact that she is a British citizen and as with all British citizens who commit crimes (at home or abroad or both), we cannot as a responsibility country abdicate our state responsibility to deal with our criminals. This case sets a dangerous precedent for all British citizens but particularly those who are ethnic minorities. The government has seen a convenient way to “get rid of the problem” and this isn’t right or fair.

I’m a British citizen (and always have been) but was born somewhere else. If I were to commit a crime, would Priti Patel be able to say that I’m suddenly no longer entitled to the citizenship I was born with? By the Begum measure, yes. It’s insane, when you look at the basic facts.

I don’t think she’s a danger, she would be so closely monitored.
She was a child and brainwashed, I imagine she has PTSD too.

Its so hard to say, because i do have compassion for her, she must have been through hell, and she was still a child when she made the decision to leave. However, i dont know how she would be kept safe if she did return here.

I think that whatever she has done, she was 15 when she left and at that age, she should have been prevented from going obviously. I think that ultimately her young age when she went means she should be given a second chance. I think she was let down by her parents and adults in her life at the time.

However, I believe her father lives in Bangladesh and that she is entitled to apply for that citizenship.

I don’t care whether she is a British citizen or not, she should not come back here and nor should the British tax payers money be spent on keeping her in prison!
I feel no sympathy for her.

She is either a danger or she is not.

If she is a danger then she can damage many more people in Bangladesh than she can in the UK.

The UK has more resources to deal with her.

If she is not a danger then she can be punished here.

We might not like it but she was a British child, radicalised in the UK. She is a British problem, Bangladesh should not be left to deal with that.

For an insight into what is is like to be the parent of someone radicalised I recommend watching, "My son the Jihadi", it is not an easy watch and there are scenes violence and the aftermath of Jihadi 'raids'.

The difference here is that it is a nice, white, middle class boy.

If she was a victim of sexual grooming we would be having a different approach. Grooming is grooming to my mind. Yes she may still pose a threat but she is a UK citizen married underage. Let the UK system deal with her.

I strongly disagree with the government. She is a citizen. Government treating citizens with ‘dual heritage’ - including those who have lived here all their lives - differently from our other citizens is bad, for them and for all of us.

If she was a victim of sexual grooming she wouldn't be a criminal or pose a danger to society. I can see the parallels between grooming and radicalisation but the end products are very different.

In don't believe that when she returns she should be released into society , she should face the criminal justice system just as other children who have broken the laws have.
Had her actions taken place in British soil her citizenship would not have been removed.

I'm assuming it wasnt a decision made on a whim. They had all the evidence. More than we know and can speculate.

The only relevant ‘evidence’ is that this is a UK citizen. Govt seemingly considers some citizens ‘more equal than others’.

@FedNlanders

I'm assuming it wasnt a decision made on a whim. They had all the evidence. More than we know and can speculate.

Never assume, it's a fatal error.

900 uk citizens went to fight for ISIS, many were killed, some fled Syria/Iraq, around 350 have returned to the UK.

Many of these would have been involved in killings and fighting, yet are allowed to live among us.

What is the damning evidence against Begum? was she involved in killings?
She appears to have been used for sex, rather than murder, 3 births (and 3 dead babies) in 4 years would have left little time for anything else.

But of course this is about the Govt pandering to the right wing press, rather than accepting she is our problem to deal with, had no journalist found her, she'd have drifted back across europe and to the UK, with little publicity.

@sashh I wouldnt worry about Bangladesh, they have no intention of allowing her into the country. Shamima is completely stuck where she is, I'm sure our government are hoping she just dies stays there in limbo.

Well I don't know enough about law, or this case.

She was radicalised and groomed as a 15 year old child. The UK have allowed others, primarily males who did the same, but as adults to return. It blows my mind that the Home Secretary stepped in to prevent her.

@JorjaSays

I trust the people saying "she was only a child" are extending the same empathy to Jamie Bulger's killers.

How is that relevant? It’s not about sympathy or empathy at all. It’s about responsibility.

@NoMackerelInSwindon

And terrorists are grown on the internet. This 'home grown' label is foolish.

What? Absolute rubbish. You can't surely believe this.

People are radicalised in mosques and by other Islamic fanatics in the UK and elsewhere.

"it is very likely that the Home Office decision to strip her of her citizenship will be overturned as being in breach of both UK and international law (due to the fact she was left stateless)."

and no doubt Cherie Blair or one of her ilk will step in to defend her and then she'll sue the UK for damages for the tune of £100,000s meanwhile our veterans are sleeping on the streets.

Whoever said 'the law is an ass' got it right.

She shouldn't be allowed back to the UK.

@SirChing

Okey dokey, so for all those saying that we shouldn't take the vile woman back, I presume you are ok with any foreign criminal currently in the UK remaining here? You are ok with their country of citizenship rescinding it and leaving their criminals as our problem, because it's our country they committed the crimes in?

As long as you are ok with not being able to send back paedophiles, murderers, drug dealers and yes, terrorists, then I guess it's fair enough to strip Begum of her citizenship and make her Syria's problem.

It's a shame that we will have to keep so very many more terrorists here, that we planned to extradite, but obviously that's a price worth paying to those who want criminals to stay in the country they committed their crimes in.

It would have meant we had to keep Abu Hamza, a known radicalising terrorist, but I guess that's ok with you?

All of this.