We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

But if you only hold a UK passport, it will throw your application in the bin.

You don't have to have more than a British passport. You need work/resident permit whatever it is Luxembourg is giving.

Aren't work permits given once you already have the job offer though? (I know this varies between countries.)

I don't know what Luxembourg does and whether you can apply with condition of getting the job tbh.

Aren't work permits given once you already have the job offer though?
No

Candidates must currently hold the independent right to live and work in Luxembourg

@SchrodingersImmigrant

I don't know what Luxembourg does and whether you can apply with condition of getting the job tbh.

Tbh, neither do I. I have looked into visas for Spain though (to give an example with another EU country), and my understanding is that it is the employer who basically arranges the work visa for the employee.

If Luxembourg is similar, then the ad is basically saying it's not willing to do that. So if someone only has a UK passport, I guess they would need to have been living in Luxembourg since before January 2021, or, I don't know, marry someone from Luxembourg. Otherwise they need not apply.

Happy to be corrected.

@Kendodd

Aren't work permits given once you already have the job offer though? No

Candidates must currently hold the independent right to live and work in Luxembourg

I know, I meant generally.

Its "just" a visa, stop moaning........ lol!

transferwise.com/gb/blog/luxembourg-work-visa

Well so they will be hiring locally unless they don't find someone. I mean, we wouldn't want people going there taking jobs locals can do.

So the job at the British Embassy is open for any citizen in 30 countries across almost the whole of Europe to apply for, except the British.

Well so they will be hiring locally
They might not. Somebody in Sweden or Italy or Poland might apply and get it.

"joking" aside.
Tbf this part of add would suggest it.
"We are looking for a Trade & Investment Adviser based in Luxembourg to join the Belgium-Luxembourg DIT (Department for International Trade) team."
It has quite logic to it though. Someone already locally can most likely build rapport better than someone who hasn't lived there and isn't as knowledgeable about local customs.

*ad not add. Also why am i getting these bloody page errors still🙄

@Kendodd

So the job at the British Embassy is open for any citizen in 30 countries across almost the whole of Europe to apply for, except the British.

No, don't misinterpreted it. It's except British without work permit. Being British doesn't disqualify you. Now, I am unhappy about Brexit mess like this as anyone, but saying "can't apply if British" is not right.

I'm guessing you are too young to have seen Auf Wiedersehen Pet.*
Yet we didn't have fom then , you can still go and live and work in another eu country it is just harder
But if you have a skill they want then it can happen

I've just checked few different embassy jobs ads. For example Canadian in France also requires candidates to be "Be authorized to live and work as an employee in France on a permanent basis" and notes they are not helpimg with visa.

It looks like it may be a standard.

@Kendodd no the poster complaining about vat from russia would always of had to pay vat
The change from non eu is how its collected not so much as to wether its paid .
Most items attract duty and vat from non eu countries before Brexit and private importers would of always had to pay upon receipt if the goods

All those 'just get a visa' lot haven't go a fucking clue.

I think TBF that's possibly because many Brits have got used to tourist travel which is often visa free, visa on arrival or via an on-line authorisation process such as an ESTA..

Workers visas are usually a completely different animal.

I think a lot of people don't live at the lower end and don't realise that for many they couldn't afford the airfare to go elsewhere and work in europe , no mum and dad to help pay the rent if not enough money
And eurasmus or whatever isn't accessed by lower paid people in general so these things don't directly affect them
In general most of us vote by what affects us

I've just looked on some other random jobs on the UK Embassy's website, on one of them (in the EU), it specifically said that the UK Embassy does not sponsor work permits.

I don’t think unlimited immigration within a block of countries with very different economies and wages is a good idea. This was one of the reasons I voted to leave and I would do so again. It does distort things and I’m not going to get into another tortuous discussion about the ins and outs and evidence. I am sorry for people who are upset about it.

I always see Brexiteers talking about the benefits and disbenefits of freedom of movement of people by itself, and I really struggle to understand it because it can’t be discussed by itself.

It came as part of a package. Freedom of movement of people, capital, good and services. The four pillars of the EU. So when people say ‘I voted to leave the EU because freedom of movement of people isn’t a good idea’, they are actually saying ‘I think free movement of people is such a terrible idea that the negatives outweighed the benefits of free movement of capital, services and goods for a country that’s a net importer of goods and has a service-based economy, and it was also worth risking peace in Northern Ireland.’

From what little I've seen of the places many of the staff working in UK embassies worldwide are locals:

" UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office: "Local Staff Vacancies"

"... In order to apply for opportunities across the network, unless otherwise stated, you must hold the independent right to live and work legally in the country where the job is advertised."

fco.tal.net/vx/lang-en-GB/mobile-0/appcentre-1/brand-2/xf-7810a1ba3247/candidate

@Bagamoyo1

OP let’s not beat about the bush. We all know the main reason for voting to leave the EU, for most of the “leave” voters, was immigration. Yes there were some who studied economics etc, and could put forward well-informed arguments for and against Brexit - but the vote was basically won on the basis of immigration. Everyone knows that.

So it’s wrong to not include that issue in any Brexit discussion.

I work in a public facing role, and I spoke to hundreds of people in the run up to the vote, and without exception their reason for voting leave was because of the massive influx of Eastern Europeans to the area. Whilst people might be able to see themselves working in France, or retiring to Spain, or doing a exchange programme with Germany - they know for certain they won’t be doing a gap year in Slovakia, or Poland, or various other countries they’ve never even heard of. And it pissed them off - that car washes were now run by gangs , that English Big Issue sellers had disappeared , that expensive interpreters were booked for appointments that weren’t kept, that Slovenian slaves were knocking on doors in the evening selling rubbish, and so on.

Opening up the UK to Eastern European countries was what caused the leave vote to win.

I didn’t want to leave by the way, but I can at least see what the majority of leave voters were thinking. Immigration was badly managed, and ended up being a massive own-goal for David Cameron.

Excellent post.

"From what little I've seen of the places many of the staff working in UK embassies worldwide are locals:"
I really think it makes sense. Know local customs and how to deal with people (it will be lots of locals coming to sort visas etc). I think especially in positions like trade cooperation it must be handy

@Karmakarmachameleon

I don’t think unlimited immigration within a block of countries with very different economies and wages is a good idea. This was one of the reasons I voted to leave and I would do so again. It does distort things and I’m not going to get into another tortuous discussion about the ins and outs and evidence. I am sorry for people who are upset about it.

I always see Brexiteers talking about the benefits and disbenefits of freedom of movement of people by itself, and I really struggle to understand it because it can’t be discussed by itself.

It came as part of a package. Freedom of movement of people, capital, good and services. The four pillars of the EU. So when people say ‘I voted to leave the EU because freedom of movement of people isn’t a good idea’, they are actually saying ‘I think free movement of people is such a terrible idea that the negatives outweighed the benefits of free movement of capital, services and goods for a country that’s a net importer of goods and has a service-based economy, and it was also worth risking peace in Northern Ireland.’

I don’t really care about Brexit (not British nor European) but wasn’t the EU originally envisioned as an economic union, not political? So it makes sense that a lot of people would be in favour of free movement of capital but not of people. One doesn’t necessarily go with the other, you can make a choice on that.

Now you might be in favour of both, but that is merely another option.

most people who voted, leave or remain, did so based on misinformation

This is simply not true and is offensive for those who casted their vote.

What most wished is for the UK to be able to exercise sovereignty and for the country to be able to control immigration, not to stop immigration altogether. How can anyone be against being in control?