We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

I was hoping to retire in France .. cant even think about it, makes me too sad

I don't follow this argument. If someone wants to emigrate (which is what 'retiring in France' would actually mean), how is it fair that they have a say about what happens in the UK, as they have no intention to live here anyway?

@VeniVidiWeeWee

I'm fine thanks.

Yes, it's the "I'm alright Jack" attitude that is the root cause of inequality the world over. Well done you.

@turquoisewaters

I was hoping to retire in France .. cant even think about it, makes me too sad

I don't follow this argument. If someone wants to emigrate (which is what 'retiring in France' would actually mean), how is it fair that they have a say about what happens in the UK, as they have no intention to live here anyway?

Also they clearly weren't planning on integrating.

If they were there's no issue as they can take visa and residency route

People who work in care homes are useually run off their feet let alone have enough time to go round to individuals and give the information from both sides to make a informed decision

Do we really believe the elderly voted based on advice from care home staff? This makes no sense at all

I don't think people in care homes should have voted on Brexit no

I'm sure a lot of younger people are furious that people who are dead now got to decide something that will effect the rest of their lives

How can this assumption be made? These posts are very offensive, inflammatory and misinformed

I totally agree OP. I feel so sad for my DC knowing they won’t have the same opportunities as I did (and lots of their friends with EU passports.) Also like you, I came from a very working class background.

mumsnet’s just been under ddos attack

They are not bots, they are people with differing opinions

We won’t even get it a British passport tbh just the Irish one - the British one feels useless tbh

Why would you think a British passport is 'useless' if you have chosen to live in the UK?

how many people actually want to live and work in another European country? I just can’t see how it would benefit most people from deprived areas

My uncle (born in the 60s in a very deprived area) went to Germany in the 80s/90s to work in construction as couldn't find work. Married a German woman, never came back to live in the UK and is still there. Apparently very common then for Brits to seek work abroad.

My brother, also from a very deprived area, spent four years in Spain with his Spanish girlfriend before coming "home".

@turquoisewaters

What most wished is for the UK to be able to exercise sovereignty and for the country to be able to control immigration, not to stop immigration altogether. How can anyone be against being in control?

We were always in control. The government always had the power to "send people back" if they couldn't support themselves or find work etc. They chose not to use it.

sovereignty and control are just buzz words.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a typing war. I voted remain, not militant, don't really care anymore.

Problem is (as others have said) many companies have started demanding "EU passport required" as part of the job spec

And for UK jobs, they will be demanding 'UK passport required', so UK applicants will be able to fill positions in the UK. What's the problem with this?

And eurasmus or whatever isn't accessed by lower paid people in general so these things don't directly affect them

I got a full grant at university (in the 90s) and an Erasmus grant for studying for a year in an EU country. My parents were lower paid and it benefitted me.

I know young people recently who have been denied visas for Russia, even though they had job offers. Just one example of how hard it is

It's an example of a country exercising their sovereignty. Why should the UK be prevented from doing the same?

In reality it can actually be chuffing difficult to get a long term working visa for many countries around the world unless you have skills that country wants and perhaps have a sponsor/job offer in place (something you often don't see mentioned in some TV programmes that sell the idea of relocation

But there's a reason for this. Those countries need to be in control and make sure the public don't have to end up paying benefits to those coming in who then can't find a job

It's an example of a country exercising their sovereignty. Why should the UK be prevented from doing the same?

That old chestnut - the UK never lost the right to exercise national sovereignty even whilst in the EU..even in areas such as immigration..

Why it seemingly didn't is something you'd need to ask several UK Prime Ministers..

As to comments asking why "expats" should still have an interest in the UK...one example is that many of them still pay UK tax on pensions (certainly some of the ones being paid due to government service)..if somebody is spending my money I'd be taking an interest, although the 15 year rule makes actually having a say in the matter pretty much impossible.

Not just FOM, the UK fashion industry is facing ruin, its worth £35 billion to our economy.
Skills, raw materials all more expensive or no longer available.

Clothing is one of the sectors that causes the biggest harm to the environment, can't really be upset that over production and production of fast fashion is slowing down. The companies that pay a decent wage will not struggle to recruit.

I'm gutted for my kids as well. I have fond memories of working and living in Europe in the 80s and 90s.

But I agree with the poster who blamed large scale East Europe migration for turning public opinion against the EU. I wish that had been managed better rather than just permitting millions of skilled and unskilled migrants to pile onto the job market to compete with locals not only for jobs but for housing and services.

I am hoping that the UK makes a deal with the US, Canada and Australia etc for FOM but not holding my breathe.

And shame on posters who suggested that uneducated people who don't share your opinion shouldn't be allowed to vote. Nazi Germany or Jim Crow US states anyone? And you call yourselves Liberal or Left Wing...

@turquoisewaters

We won’t even get it a British passport tbh just the Irish one - the British one feels useless tbh

Why would you think a British passport is 'useless' if you have chosen to live in the UK?

In fairness, an Irish passport is now much more valuable than a British one. It means the holder is free to live anywhere they like in EU, even loads of prominent brexiteers have got themselves or their children EU passports. Btw I also adviced the poster to get a British passport for her children after Windrush, nothing is certain.

And shame on posters who suggested that uneducated people who don't share your opinion shouldn't be allowed to vote. Nazi Germany or Jim Crow US states anyone? And you call yourselves Liberal or Left Wing...
I agree. Look at the way loads of poor black people in the US are barred from voting. Absolutely shameful.
But... something also needs to be done to stop politicians telling complete and utter lies to win votes, look at Boris Johnson, awful the lies he tells.

@Graciebobcat

And eurasmus or whatever isn't accessed by lower paid people in general so these things don't directly affect them

I got a full grant at university (in the 90s) and an Erasmus grant for studying for a year in an EU country. My parents were lower paid and it benefitted me.

Most people I know who went on Erasmus were from lower income groups. That's in last 5-6 years.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Most people I know who went on Erasmus were from lower income groups. That's in last 5-6 years.

Most people you know is hardly representative.

And shame on posters who suggested that uneducated people who don't share your opinion shouldn't be allowed to vote. Nazi Germany or Jim Crow US states anyone? And you call yourselves Liberal or Left Wing...

I guess that's me. So firstly, I didn't say those who don't share my opinion can't vote🤷🏻
However, to the "uneducated point". Bit hard to swallow that my life was made harder by people who didn't even know which countries are in EU, or what's EU. No. Not a naz or Jim Crowi. How fucking offensive just because I pointed put that some people had no idea the fuck they voted for and votes should. You people need to learn to stop using Nazi every time you don't like something. It's disgraceful. Go and grow up somewhere where you annually remember annihilation of a whole village next door. Everyone in here is obsessed with ww2 yet pretty fucking disrespectful about it.

[quote Unhomme]@SchrodingersImmigrant

Most people I know who went on Erasmus were from lower income groups. That's in last 5-6 years.

Most people you know is hardly representative.[/quote]
Nothing on mumsnet is representative 🤷🏻

Surely the opportunity to work abroad in Europe will still be available for those who apply for work permits/ visas. I know many who have been on holiday to Europe but in terms of work I know more who move from U.K. to work and study abroad outside of Europe with work permits and visas in places like Canada, Australia and Asia. I would think that there will still be an opportunity to work abroad in Europe with visa.

@Kendodd

Your comments on the Luxembourg job are misguided. They want someone with in country business experience to help facilitate UK companies to win trade and grow their international business. That indicates the need for someone with experience already working there, and therefore with the right to work there.

The same for every 'locally employed' person working for DIT or FCDO overseas.

If you're a Brit in the US, South Africa, China or Singapore or anywhere else you need the right to work in country before the Embassy will employ you.

And the same is true for non British or Irish citizens in the UK.