We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

YANBU. I knew loads of people who went off to be hairdressers in Rome, bartenders in Malaga, flower pickers in the Netherlands etc I was from a very deprived area and i spent time in other EU countries, learning the language, making a bit of cash. I was hoping to retire in France .. cant even think about it, makes me too sad. Especially for my kids, who won’t get that freedom.

@Mamamia456

OP - You're looking at this from your own experience though. When I was younger I had no desire whatsoever to work and live in another country. It just didn't appeal to me, never even crossed my mind in fact. I don't know anyone else who wanted to do that either. We were more interested in working in London as that's where we could earn good money.

It sounds more like you are looking at it from your own personal experience - and not recent experience.

@beelzeboob

As a percentage though, how many people actually want to live and work in another European country? I just can’t see how it would benefit most people from deprived areas, who would be lucky to get a half decent job in this country, let alone on the continent, where they’re unlikely to speak the language. I’m talking in general terms here by the way.

There si absoluetly no way that having more opportunities can fail to be positive.

Brexit was always a really shit idea.

*is absolutely

(must type more slowly)

This is why some kind of tests should be done before voting🙄

Such as?

@Mamamia456 Fair enough if you did not want to travel abroad - some people don't. But what's the advantage of depriving your dc of that choice? Now working in the EU will be the preserve of the wealthy and educated.

There si absoluetly no way that having more opportunities can fail to be positive.
And yet nearly 30% on this threat think removing fom from our young people is a good thing.

OP - You're looking at this from your own experience though. When I was younger I had no desire whatsoever to work and live in another country. It just didn't appeal to me, never even crossed my mind in fact. I don't know anyone else who wanted to do that either. We were more interested in working in London as that's where we could earn good money.

But just because you personally didn't benefit, do you want the opportunity taken from the large number of people who do want to work abroad? I know loads of people who have worked or studied in the EU, none of them rich.

@Andante57

This is why some kind of tests should be done before voting🙄

Such as?

Basic geography and comprehension skills in this one. Other topics on other votes. Aould weed out people like in the post i quoted OR it would make them stop and think. Both is a positive imo

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Would basic spelling be part of the test?

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@SchrodingersImmigrant

Would basic spelling be part of the test?[/quote]
Nah.

That's lucky then.

Lucky it wouldn't matter to me since I can't vote in GE anyway🤷🏻

Or the EU referendum.

I got my Irish Passport last year, we now live in Europe. I have put my British passport away, and will never to use it again . I am completely ashamed of how the British public were duped into voting leave. Its a travesty, that younger generations will feel for many years .

@BlackForestCake

how many people actually want to live and work in another European country? I just can’t see how it would benefit most people from deprived areas,

I'm guessing you are too young to have seen Auf Wiedersehen Pet.

Many in my village in Cornwall worked in Germany in the 80s and early 90s, mainly building/construction. I worked in Sweden, none of us had more than a few O levels.

My DD wanted to work in Spain for a gap year, she can't now

It's a crying shame what we've done, Bojo could have negotiated work access, he chose not to, just like he fucked the musicians too.

@bert3400

Please don't be so arrogant as to assume you know why people voted the way they did. I wasn't duped. I merely have different views to you.

There are about 195 countries in the world. 27 of them are in the EU. Our travel arrangements with the remaining 167 are the same as they were in December (apart from Covid, of course).

Quite a lot of people in the UK have connections with those other countries.

I'm not denying there will be challenges, but we are where we are. Getting angry about what has happened isn't going to make the practicalities any easier.

It's hard to tell how things are going to pan out with the EU while Covid is muddying the waters, but I spent time living in what is now an EU country before we joined the EEC and I also travelled around Europe and must have managed the red tape somehow, just as I did for non-EU countries. There are a lot of people affected in both the EU and the UK so we'll have to sort something out.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@bert3400

Please don't be so arrogant as to assume you know why people voted the way they did. I wasn't duped. I merely have different views to you.[/quote]
Agree, people weren't duped, they were too blinded to see what they were throwing away, trapped in a vision of Britain and Empire.

Well if you weren't duped (I believe you) that means you knowingly and deliberate wanted to take rights away from our young people and risk the peace in NI.

Agree, people weren't duped, they were too blinded to see what they were throwing away, trapped in a vision of Britain and Empire

FOM doesn't factor into many people's lives, OP. I think that's what you are failing to realise. Many British people are perfectly happy living, working and studying in the UK and don't feel any need to keep popping off to Europe.

@amicissimma pre 1973 or 1993, nothing like the barriers to travel and work as there are now.
9/11 also changed travel for good.

We can only sort something else out, if there is the will to do so and in the UK Govt, there is no such desire.

We will remain a 3rd country, with as many rights to work etc in the EU as any other of the 167 countries you mentioned.