We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

Oh is this part we pretend we didn’t have millions of people from certain eastern areas of Europe arrive in the U.K. in a matter of a few years- unbalanaced migration in one direction and some middle class oblivious person says they know a British person who was so thankful to have been able to go work in Warsaw...ok..:.

I wondered when we'd get around to slagging off immigrants.

@Kendodd

I wondered when we'd get around to slagging off immigrants.

You were begging for someone too, hence your oblivious “no idea why the U.K. wants the end FOM”rhetoric

I feel a lot of people who voted for Brexit never left or worked outside the UK. The UK is to y you can barely see it on a map. I was born in a colony which is no longer under the British rule I'm furious that people have decided that I should be basically stuck in a country that I wasn't even born in. I left as soon as it was announced to a EU country so I wouldn't get stuck. So many people who voted for Brexit are dead. I also think people in care homes shouldn't have been allowed to vote on the matter as careers were the ones who "advised" them how to vote also slot of voters who lived in the EU votes weren't even counted.

The UK is so small

OP let’s not beat about the bush. We all know the main reason for voting to leave the EU, for most of the “leave” voters, was immigration. Yes there were some who studied economics etc, and could put forward well-informed arguments for and against Brexit - but the vote was basically won on the basis of immigration. Everyone knows that.

So it’s wrong to not include that issue in any Brexit discussion.

I work in a public facing role, and I spoke to hundreds of people in the run up to the vote, and without exception their reason for voting leave was because of the massive influx of Eastern Europeans to the area. Whilst people might be able to see themselves working in France, or retiring to Spain, or doing a exchange programme with Germany - they know for certain they won’t be doing a gap year in Slovakia, or Poland, or various other countries they’ve never even heard of. And it pissed them off - that car washes were now run by gangs , that English Big Issue sellers had disappeared , that expensive interpreters were booked for appointments that weren’t kept, that Slovenian slaves were knocking on doors in the evening selling rubbish, and so on.

Opening up the UK to Eastern European countries was what caused the leave vote to win.

I didn’t want to leave by the way, but I can at least see what the majority of leave voters were thinking. Immigration was badly managed, and ended up being a massive own-goal for David Cameron.

@Bagamoyo1

OP let’s not beat about the bush. We all know the main reason for voting to leave the EU, for most of the “leave” voters, was immigration. Yes there were some who studied economics etc, and could put forward well-informed arguments for and against Brexit - but the vote was basically won on the basis of immigration. Everyone knows that.

So it’s wrong to not include that issue in any Brexit discussion.

I work in a public facing role, and I spoke to hundreds of people in the run up to the vote, and without exception their reason for voting leave was because of the massive influx of Eastern Europeans to the area. Whilst people might be able to see themselves working in France, or retiring to Spain, or doing a exchange programme with Germany - they know for certain they won’t be doing a gap year in Slovakia, or Poland, or various other countries they’ve never even heard of. And it pissed them off - that car washes were now run by gangs , that English Big Issue sellers had disappeared , that expensive interpreters were booked for appointments that weren’t kept, that Slovenian slaves were knocking on doors in the evening selling rubbish, and so on.

Opening up the UK to Eastern European countries was what caused the leave vote to win.

I didn’t want to leave by the way, but I can at least see what the majority of leave voters were thinking. Immigration was badly managed, and ended up being a massive own-goal for David Cameron.

Bravo

I also think people in care homes shouldn't have been allowed to vote

I don't agree but I visit businesses for work, all kinds of businesses (H&S) I visited a care home just after the referendum. About 50% of the staff there were EU nationals, the manager said they tried to make the vote a bit of a trip out for the residents, they all voted Leave while grumbling loudly about immigrants and the poor EU staff had to wheel them down to the polling station listening to it.

@Callingallmajortoms

I feel a lot of people who voted for Brexit never left or worked outside the UK. The UK is to y you can barely see it on a map. I was born in a colony which is no longer under the British rule I'm furious that people have decided that I should be basically stuck in a country that I wasn't even born in. I left as soon as it was announced to a EU country so I wouldn't get stuck. So many people who voted for Brexit are dead. I also think people in care homes shouldn't have been allowed to vote on the matter as careers were the ones who "advised" them how to vote also slot of voters who lived in the EU votes weren't even counted.

Hang on, am I reading this correctly? You’re saying people in care homes shouldn’t get a vote? Are you going to extend this to all elderly people? Or people with disabilities? Or people who are, you know, just a bit thick, and need advice from others to vote? Holy shit, you really don’t want to love in a democracy do you!

And yes the UK is small. But people still want to come here. And that’s why we ended up with Brexit.

A few poor souls from Romania, and the poorest parts of the Union! Cutting off nose to spite face has always been a dumb idea. The politicians and their mates cost us far far more than a few immigrants ever could.

Live*

KenDodd - If you didn't speak any Danish what was the first job you did out there?

I'm gutted for my kids, neither dh or I have ancestry that will give them access to an EU passport. I'm really encouraging them to learn a language as I'm not convinced that the UK will always be somewhere that can give them the best opportunities. I'm hoping that a good education will allow them some options beyond these shores should they want them.

I'm still in disbelief about Brexit if I'm honest. Still seems so irrational.

@Mamamia456
Cleaned hotel rooms, and in my case it was Germany. I didn't speak any German btw, my interview was in English and I got the job by just going into the hotel and asking at the front desk.

@wonderstuff

I'm gutted for my kids, neither dh or I have ancestry that will give them access to an EU passport. I'm really encouraging them to learn a language as I'm not convinced that the UK will always be somewhere that can give them the best opportunities. I'm hoping that a good education will allow them some options beyond these shores should they want them.

I'm still in disbelief about Brexit if I'm honest. Still seems so irrational.

As per my earlier post, several of my friends went to work and live in Australia, NZ, Canada, USA - so I’m sure your kids can get a job in France if they want to.

Also, it seems the poster on the other thread complaining about VAT wasn't to stupid to pass any test, as your pp tried to imply
No that pp has definitely misunderstood. They think having to pay VAT on goods coming from the USA (just one example country they gave) is only happening now and only because of Brexit. They’re not, er, very well informed. (the changes to Vat for countries outside the EU you mentioned earlier is only on how and when an importer pays it, to free cash flow, it’s not that suddenly vat is being charged where it wasn’t before).

I don't think people in care homes should have voted on Brexit no. Especially not dementia homes. I think 1.it is very unlikely to effect them positively or negatively and 2. Depending on the care home they could have been advised by the staff which way to vote (i.e leave for more money for the NHS)

At the care home I worked at the owner was a Tory voted and she advised them to vote Tory in their best interest however that vote would effect them and as much as I hate Tory their were things in their manifesto which was positive for them.

After that I worked on a farm in Switzerland with accomodation included (a vineyard no less, who knew, Switz wine).

@Callingallmajortoms

I don't think people in care homes should have voted on Brexit no. Especially not dementia homes. I think 1.it is very unlikely to effect them positively or negatively and 2. Depending on the care home they could have been advised by the staff which way to vote (i.e leave for more money for the NHS)

At the care home I worked at the owner was a Tory voted and she advised them to vote Tory in their best interest however that vote would effect them and as much as I hate Tory their were things in their manifesto which was positive for them.

I think that removing the right to vote from people, based on age and where they live, is a very dangerous way to go.

People who work in care homes are useually run off their feet let alone have enough time to go round to individuals and give the information from both sides to make a informed decision.

I'm sure a lot of younger people are furious that people who are dead now got to decide something that will effect the rest of their lives

I also think people in care homes shouldn't have been allowed to vote

Blimey! So first an exam and now no care home residents. Who else should be added to your list of the disenfranchised?
Actually, I know the answer to that - anyone who voted leave.

KenDodd - What do you think would have happened if the interview hadn't been in English? Would you have even considered going over there, knowing you couldn't speak the language?

I'll tell you who I think should have been allowed to vote, EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU. These people were hugely affected by this and had no say.

Either way a advisory vote shouldn't have been followed when it was so close, the real ramifications and a better deal should have been explored properly and there should have been a second legal vote based off this.