We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

I agree OP. It is so so sad. Of my Uni friendship group (I was first in my family to go to University) only 2 did not live, work and /or travel in Europe during their twenties. We all gained so much from the opportunity. Can't believe our kids will be denied the same experiences.

My dh is Dutch,
ds has just turned 18 and he has applied for a Dutch passport, so he will be a dual citizen. He has done this so he can freely travel and work in the whole EU.

Dh and I both travelled and worked in other countries before we met, and even after we met, as a family with small children.

I really want my kids ot be able to do the same.

This thread has turned into quite a happy trip down memory lane for me so, so glad I had the opportunities I did and very sad for young people like me who now don't have those life chances.

I really want my kids ot be able to do the same.
Yes, there'll be a real divide between the have EU passport and have nots. An American friend of mine was saying he'd kill for an passport and the chance to live anywhere from Iceland through to Greece. He can't believe we voted to take them away from our children. An EU passport is quite literally worth millions.

The Post Office Passport was called a British Visitors Passport, it was only valid for a year and allowed travel to most Western European countries. It was handy for last minute trips if you didn't have a full passport and you didn't need all the extra identity validation to get one.

Apparently they were dropped in 1995 because they didn't meet new security requirements. They weren't really useful for long term stays in Europe though as far as I remember.

These passports were introduced in the early sixties before we joined the EEC.

Shame no one felt as bad about zero hour contracts, or the trebling of uni fees. Granted many leave voters may have cut off their nose to spite their face but the hypocrisy of many remain voters pretending they now care about the opportunities for working class people makes me more angry.

Either way a advisory vote shouldn't have been followed when it was so close, the real ramifications and a better deal should have been explored properly and there should have been a second legal vote based off this.

I completely agree. The Brexit referendum was a shambolic mess of lies and shite, no way should it have been acted upon.

When we found out about Brexit DH got his dual nationality (Britain/EU) and then we got it for the dc as well.
Maybe they won’t want to live and work in The EU but it would be nice for them to have the opportunity.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Shame no one felt as bad about zero hour contracts, or the trebling of uni fees. Granted many leave voters may have cut off their nose to spite their face but the hypocrisy of many remain voters pretending they now care about the opportunities for working class people makes me more angry.

Seconded. Also the mass expansion of buy-to-let and private landlord of, which by definition legally sets up a system of haves and have nots. Also the removal of other employment rights, so now you can be legally sacked on the spot if you’ve worked somewhere for less than 2 years, and the mass expansion and expectations of voluntary work, the mass expansion and expectations of skills required for low-end jobs and the removal of middle pay jobs - I could go on.

It may be a happy trip down memory lane for you op, but for us under 50 it’s a reminder of all that has been taken away so that over 50s and their rich inheriting descendants can have their 30- year long retirements in Spain and Thailand.

As far as I can make out a lot of leave voters got exactly what they wanted.

They have no desire to travel further than the end of their road and they wanted to make certain that no one could come here from other countries either.

I live in a small market town that has seen quite a lot of housing development on it's edges over the last fifteen or so year.

A great many people who grew up in the town, families going back many generations, have the same attitude; they don't want to go anywhere and they hate the incomers who have all come here from 'far flung places', some of them as much as 40 or 50 miles away.

Also how many of you use self service tills or amazon for convenience- retail was the working classes life line for work, not a job thousands of miles away in mainland Europe.

Shame no one felt as bad about zero hour contracts, or the trebling of uni fees. Granted many leave voters may have cut off their nose to spite their face but the hypocrisy of many remain voters pretending they now care about the opportunities for working class people makes me more angry.
I think you'll find Brexit was largely a Tory project and it's the Tories who care little about the working classes. I don't vote Tory or use Amazon, please feel free to past search me to see.
Zero hours contracts are banned in some EU countries btw.

You can also see from past posting history I've been championing the young and the poor for years on here.

@pigsDOfly

As far as I can make out a lot of leave voters got exactly what they wanted.

They have no desire to travel further than the end of their road and they wanted to make certain that no one could come here from other countries either.

I live in a small market town that has seen quite a lot of housing development on it's edges over the last fifteen or so year.

A great many people who grew up in the town, families going back many generations, have the same attitude; they don't want to go anywhere and they hate the incomers who have all come here from 'far flung places', some of them as much as 40 or 50 miles away.

They may have a parochial attitude, but they’ve got a point about the relentless house building going on here. And as a previous poster stated, we are a tiny little island. Overcrowding was another reason a lot of people voted to leave, not just to prevent teenagers backpacking round Europe and washing up in Italian cafes!

They never had the chance to go further than the end of their roads, and have now entrenched in their resentments as Britain’s hierarchy expanded and they have been ignored. TV pumps out ‘circus’ (of bread and circuses) programmes to keep them pacified and quiet, and the rest of consumerist culture - the culture that makes some so incredibly rich - colludes further. They are not encouraged to have aspirations, they have been given up on by an education system comprised mostly of the middle class who just shrug and say ‘they haven’t a chance’.

I do remember those cardboard passports now. My parents paid for one for me as a birthday present so I could go on a required - required for gods sake, when did middle class desires and luxuries become required - foreign practical trip. It was the first time I went abroad, and the last for nearly 15 years.

Oh and my biggest issue with Brexit, referenced by many, many posts was the risk it creates to the peace in NI.

@Kendodd

You can also see from past posting history I've been championing the young and the poor for years on here.

But yet you don’t understand how many communities feel, their experiences, their realities in 2016?! You just want to keep telling them they were wrong.

I simply dont understand this.
My family has lived and worked across the world according to each places requirements and been turned away from some, eg South Africa and visa struggles in Australia.

One lady told me if it wasn't for the EU her immigrant parents from country couldn't have settled here in low paying jobs. That was in the late 1950's!!! Before the EU commission etc was even born!!!
So no, I am not worried or concerned about paying small visas or filling out forms for my dc to move or live anywhere.

I think you'll find Brexit was largely a Tory project and it's the Tories who care little about the working classes

of course very largely Tory except of course for also largely the extreme left, everyone knows Corybns desire to leave the EU!

Caring about workers rights! Where was that care when kitchen fitters, small building firms, plumbers, gas engineers were all flooded with EE workers massively under cutting them and living in over crowded HMO.s to do so.

New Labour did not have a good record for supporting the working classes either. It would be good perhaps if we could all just swap experiences of times past and present without attacking or defending. Information and communication between different groups has been shut down in this country, as some groups’ expectations of wealth has grown and others’ have been cut in half. The one relies on the other.

One of my DC works in an industry where ads often now specifically say: “ EU passport holders only.” Companies don’t want the hassle and cost of stumping up for visas, bearing in mind you need to prove that a better applicant can’t be found in any of the other 27 EU countries. People going on about Australia etc are missing the point. There’s already a reciprocal youth scheme that lets young people live and work there. It’s the poorer people in theUK who will be worst affected.

@Lemonsyellow

One of my DC works in an industry where ads often now specifically say: “ EU passport holders only.” Companies don’t want the hassle and cost of stumping up for visas, bearing in mind you need to prove that a better applicant can’t be found in any of the other 27 EU countries. People going on about Australia etc are missing the point. There’s already a reciprocal youth scheme that lets young people live and work there. It’s the poorer people in theUK who will be worst affected.

I expect reciprocal schemes will be set up with EU countries too. I guess negotiations have been delayed by Covid.

Gawd it’s such a joke ! I’m Irish and live here in the U.K. - so I’m lucky I can stay here no problem and also keep my Eu passport - my baby is due in a few days and We won’t even get it a British passport tbh just the Irish one - the British one feels useless tbh.

Where was that care when kitchen fitters, small building firms, plumbers, gas engineers were all flooded with EE workers massively under cutting them and living in over crowded HMO.s to do so.
Well that's definitely not true around here, you can't get a plumber/builder/electrician for love nor money, they're all absolutely flat out. I wanted a kitchen extension a few years ago, we had to abandon it because we just couldn't get a builder. Theres actually a massive skills shortage in these industries. As I said, I visit workplaces for work, these trades make really great careers and I would recommend them for young people.

www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/uks-5bn-construction-industry-under-16807053

I Live and work in Europe and i receive countless CVs a month from young Britons with great qualifications looking for work, a door, any door. The desperation is almost tangible. The thing is a few months ago we could take them on, now we have to justify it and jump brought hoops. It's not easy.
We've just taken on our last young Briton for the foreseeable.