We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

@turquoisewaters Tell us, what is this overwhelming 'precedence to the national perspective' in Brexit?

Loads of leave voter motorhomers blaming individual EU countries for failing to allow them to continue travelling at their leisure.
Absolutely. And I bet money they would vote Leave again expecting a different outcome. In fairness to them though they were promised all of the benefits with none of the costs although you would think that now that's shown to be clearly untrue they might stop believing the liars, but for some reason they haven't.

Believe it or not, some give precedence to the national perspective rather than how a decision may impact them and their families individually
Was instability of the Union what you dreamt of then?

Anyway, Leave voters can own the whole sorry lot, Brexit is 100% on them.

@Kendodd

Believe it or not, some give precedence to the national perspective rather than how a decision may impact them and their families individually Was instability of the Union what you dreamt of then?

I don’t think @turquoisewaters will answer that.

They don’t seem to do answers.

I fully expect another squirrel comment

It’s going to be very interesting when the new customs procedures kick in over the next few months, let’s face it the last couple of months have been far from smooth, especially the situation in NI.

We’ll just be coming out of lockdown and it’s looking like there is going to be a major logjam for goods entering and leaving the country.

Still we can all swap turnips with each other I guess.

@Kendodd

Loads of leave voter motorhomers blaming individual EU countries for failing to allow them to continue travelling at their leisure. Absolutely. And I bet money they would vote Leave again expecting a different outcome. In fairness to them though they were promised all of the benefits with none of the costs although you would think that now that's shown to be clearly untrue they might stop believing the liars, but for some reason they haven't.

They thought it 'would sort itself out'. Presumably either with a 'deal' that allowed fom to work one way or British exceptionalism resulting in individual countries being desperate for a tourist spend.

Now there are many panicking trying to get back from Spain (or worse still Portugal - being a red zone country) in the middle of the pandemic before the end of the 90 days. If it weren't for Brexit they could have stayed put!

Either that or they are trying to do the Schengen Shuffle by trying to catch a ferry to Morocco for example.

They still won't have it that this is what they voted for.

I feel sorry for those who voted remain stuck in this mess. Covid has really caused additional problems with the need for a PQR test and limited time to cross France. And before you say the majority of these people in this situation were abroad from before the second or third lockdown.

So no the FOM hasn't impacted many yet but it has impacted some and we'll no doubt hear increasing stories during March of returners.

Motorhomers who voted leave are also pissed off with the EU that they can no longer fill their fridges with bacon and milk etc. before they cross the channel !

You couldn't make it up!

Germany has much stricter food standards than many other EU countries
because they have Sovereignty

Italy has different judicial systems than other EU countries
because it has sovereignty

France has different immigration rules than other EU countries
because it has sovereignty

Sweden has totally different welfare and tax rules than many other EU countries
because it has sovereignty

Exactly LQ

I’m still reeling from this yesterday:

“.you would like to study medicine --> NO, you must specialise in law
.you have no spare bedroom --> you must take a lodger that they have selected and he will sleep on the sofa and you must feed him
.you are a vegetarian ---> NO, you must eat meat
.you are short of cash --> you must pay for your neighbour's children's education
.you would like to install security bars on your windows ---> NO, you must leave the front door open”

Which is an some of the most deluded paranoid drivel I’ve ever read on here.

@turquoisewaters

And all those stories about Leave voters repenting are not credible (I don't believe them for one minute myself)

Me neither. It's like a cult, you go down with your ship.

It cancels out the first company at the top of your list:
Village Kitchen 8 job losses Food & drink Birmingham.

On my list of... 400 000? (It isn't my list anyway it's a link to the small business index)

@Clavinova I'm not sure where you reas that but then why would they move production to Europe? And this suggests they are having a boon.

"The chief executive of Cumbria Chamber of Commerce, Rob Johnston, has suggested rising costs fuelled by Brexit uncertainty was a factor in McBride’s decision to leave Barrow.
And while in-Cumbria understands Brexit was not, directly, part of the reasoning behind the decision, the reallocation of work to France and Luxembourg – both long-standing European Union members – will raise eyebrows."

Lonelycrab where did you read that ‘paranoid drivel’?

Was it on a Brexit thread?sorry, I don’t know the context so it doesn’t make sense.

[quote turquoisewaters]@lifeturnsonadime

Why do you think sovereignty is a negligible benefit?

Imagine you are at home. All of a sudden someone comes and starts to mandate what you must do:

.you would like to study medicine --> NO, you must specialise in law
.you have no spare bedroom --> you must take a lodger that they have selected and he will sleep on the sofa and you must feed him
.you are a vegetarian ---> NO, you must eat meat
.you are short of cash --> you must pay for your neighbour's children's education
.you would like to install security bars on your windows ---> NO, you must leave the front door open

Why do you find this acceptable?

Yes, figures and assessments are very important and will come in due course. It's too soon.

Also the UK is a resourceful and business oriented nation, there's no reason why we shouldn't flourish. I don't know why some focus only on the negatives and the predictions of doom and gloom.[/quote]
It was a post upthread responding to my earlier request of what the poster meant by regaining sovereignty.

@Andante57 this thread just one page back.

Ah, ok.
Thank you for answering my question.

Brexut is a shit show for all sorts of reasons including FoM.

Dd has an opportunity to do a year at in France as part of her degree and now it's becoming clear that the govt didn't think about the implications of this. For her it's an optional year. For language students it isn't and they currently don't know how they can make it accessible to ordinary people (e.g you need to have a minimum of £6k savings).

Brexit is still a stupid idea based on a slim majority in an advisory referendum.

Leave voters don't need any reassurance. They are firmly convinced that it was the right choice

Yep agree

And all those stories about Leave voters repenting are not credible (I don't believe them for one minute myself)

A few have, most haven't or blame issues on Covid.
Polling says different but that could just be because more younger voters have come of age?

It's ridiculous that someone could expect that after leaving the EU there wouldn't be restrictions

Nonsense, the Leave campaign made it perfectly clear in 2016 and beyond there would be no issues, no one talked about the 90/180 rule or the inability to work/retire etc... brexitiers i know inc 2 who live in Europe were convinced there would no changes.
Only in 2019/20 did a no deal scenario become a realistic prospect.

Actually, I think this bit is quite interesting -

you would like to install security bars on your windows ---> NO, you must leave the front door open

It does indicate a level of fear and paranoia that can't be healthy. I wonder where the poster must live if installing security bars on your windows is even a thing?

And that other bit about being forced to take in a lodger.

I can't believe many Leave voters had this extreme level of paranoia about the EU.

Just looked back, it was turquoisewaters who wrote all that. And followed it with Why do you find this acceptable? as if this was something that was actually happening and imposed on us by the EU.

One thing I do find odd about some Leave voters, they see the EU (that we were actually part of, we WERE the EU) as some malevolent threat. And yet the countries that might be real threats to us, Russia for example, nothing to say, not a worry in the world about Putin.

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/its-been-a-fking-nightmare-how-brexit-is-impacting-the-careers-of-british-riders-491373/amp?fbclid=IwAR0KVs13rfHgIkYxKKdy-b7UsG2ONpCapGW7VU3W7H1q6e2zxsQYpM9Lu8k

@Kendodd
"I can't believe many Leave voters had this extreme level of paranoia about the EU."

I can. Why would they have voted to Leave otherwise? Everyone talks about immigration and jobs etc etc, but there's also deep seated mistrust of the idea of the EU amongst Leave voters that I didn't really understand until I did more reading on it after Leave won.

Maybe.
I remember one Leave voter telling me that I'd never understand and that being in the EU felt like a Jack boot on his neck. As I said though, it completely ignored the fact that we WERE the EU. The EU is only the sum of its parts.

Actually I heard on the radio the other day that Leave voters were less likely to take the covid vaccine than remain voters so that does suggest a general mistrust of experts. I also found it surprising given the age profile of covid deaths, youd think the young would be the least likely to have the vaccine (for can't be bothered reasons, not paranoia) and this would counter balance the Leave voting elderly who, I would have thought, most keen to get vaccinated.