We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

Also, how do you define 'rich world'? Could China or Russia have been forced by the UN to take refugees?

What? There are sovereign states around the world who would not appreciate being dictated to by the UN on what they should or should not be doing

Yes and if only they would, we'd immediately see an end to all war.

Not really - if you voted remain you refuse to accept any benefits exist - that's fair enough.

I don't refuse to believe it at all. I just haven't been given any tangible examples. Surely some must exist, beyond the tax advantages for the extremely wealthy and those who will profit from the need for new systems to replace the original ones/ new laws etc.?

I would assume that there would be a reduction in over all UK unemployment if not everyone took advantage of the Settlement Scheme (as an example).

I would assume that there would be a reduction in over all UK unemployment if not everyone took advantage of the Settlement Scheme (as an example
You appear to be answering your own question.

@Kendodd

I wish we'd taken in more refugees. Instead we had Nigel Farage and his followers jumping up and down shouting "they're not coming here".

How many more would have made you happy?

@DynamoKev

I would assume that there would be a reduction in over all UK unemployment if not everyone took advantage of the Settlement Scheme (as an example You appear to be answering your own question.

Figures?

I've heard only of Brexit job losses not gains. I can't find any evidence to the alternative in terms of lower unemployment figures? Do you have any sources to show that there has been a reduction in overall unemployment?

KPMG appears to forecast increased unemployment not reduced.

home.kpmg/uk/en/home/media/press-releases/2020/11/kpmg-forecasts-show-brexit-blow-to-uk-recovery-after-covid.html

Figures?
I was quoting you, so you’ll have to supply the figures.

As I said, it isn’t possible to show any benefit to someone who says there are no benefits.

But admittedly it is very hard to assess the actual impact of Brexit when the government has refused to carry out an impact assessment.

Very easy to hide behind covid as I stated upthread.

@DynamoKev

Figures? I was quoting you, so you’ll have to supply the figures.

As I said, it isn’t possible to show any benefit to someone who says there are no benefits.

I can't supply figures because they don't exist.

I would absolutely love to see a tangible benefit which is why I am asking for them.

Losing FOM would be much more palatable if there were any benefits which is why I am asking for someone to show me what they are. That's not unreasonable or indicative of the fact that I don't want to see a benefit. Quite the opposite.

Yeah I too have only heard of job losses, am sure government would like to highlight gains, but also I think it's unreasonable to expect to see the net gains so soon after the most recent deal stuff and the last year of pandemic. Im Irish/voted remain btw (just in case you ask me to start proving my Brexit stats lol)

I think its a real shame that we'llmiss out on different opportunities in the EU in future. I worked for a tour operator on the continent for a few years in my 20s and it was a great experience. I learned a whole lot, especially about people, and even picked up some of the language.

I've heard only of Brexit job losses not gains. I can't find any evidence to the alternative in terms of lower unemployment figures? Do you have any sources to show that there has been a reduction in overall unemployment?

Only from 2018 - FullFact: There are an estimated 450,000 more people in employment now compared to the three months from May to July 2016—around the time of the EU referendum.

fullfact.org/economy/more-people-work-brexit-vote/

KPMG appears to forecast increased unemployment not reduced.

KPMG have just announced 200 new jobs in their Belfast office;

home.kpmg/ie/en/home/insights/2021/02/belfast-jobs-announcement.html

@Cpl1586407

Yeah I too have only heard of job losses, am sure government would like to highlight gains, but also I think it's unreasonable to expect to see the net gains so soon after the most recent deal stuff and the last year of pandemic. Im Irish/voted remain btw (just in case you ask me to start proving my Brexit stats lol)

Yes the pandemic will muddy the water., and as you say it is early days. However the fact that the government is not going to carry out an impact assessment which would normally be carried out means we will probably never get the full picture.

The fact that they are not going to carry out an impact assessment makes me suspicious. If it was positive then presumably they would want to demonstrate the point.

*Only from 2018 - FullFact: There are an estimated 450,000 more people in employment now compared to the three months from May to July 2016—around the time of the EU referendum.

fullfact.org/economy/more-people-work-brexit-vote/*

That's all very interesting but totally irrelevant. I'm asking for post brexit not the period between the vote and the end of the transition period. We were still in 'the club' for the period above so the impact of Brexit had not occurred.

KPMG may well have recruited people but I'm not sure how you think that is indicative of overall job growth.

I'm asking for post brexit not the period between the vote and the end of the transition period.
So you are asking for figures showing a reduction in unemployment in the 2 months since Brexit?

So you are asking for figures showing a reduction in unemployment in the 2 months since Brexit?

Employment data is available - see link below. Overall unemployment has risen which is unsurprising.

ONS has data but it doesn't distinguish between covid job losses (which will clearly be the main cause) and Brexit. There will be overlap in some areas but this data doesn't even attempt to look at the reasons.

www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/output/articles/ukeconomylatest/2021-01-25

I appreciate that it is early days but what good reason is there for the government to decline to do an impact assessment when one is normally carried out when there is a change in trade arrangements?

www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40223570.html

I'm asking for post brexit not the period between the vote and the end of the transition period.

I can disregard this then?
My sister is one of the 400k +who lost their job to Brexit.

Interesting website here - manufacturing news;

www.mtdmfg.com/news/

@DynamoKev it's very hard to analyse yes - but in Morayshire which had the closest results there are several RAF bases and an army base - Lossiemouth and Kinloss and there is a massive amount of settled ex-forces personnel who are - it's awkward but true - English - and when you ask them why they settled in Scotland they almost always say less busy, more space, better schools...(what they don't say but you can read between the lines) white.

Clavinova

It is clear that people will have lost jobs because of Brexit prior to the end of the transition period. That doesn't make the opposite true, that economic growth must have been because of Brexit. But you know that.

It's a bloody good job that there are some positive manufacturing stories as well as negative ones! Just because there is some UK investment doesn't mean that other companies have not decided to move their bases to Europe.

@Kendodd your post about Lapland is spot on...exactly this - kids from ordinary British backgrounds will miss out.

I worked a season in a campsite in the south of France. There were lots of Brits and the staff were made up of brits and french. The British kids were from very working class backgrounds mostly apart from a couple of more middle class kids who were also language students and their to practise their French.

I agree with you OP, it pains me that my nephew (whose mother is half Italian but has lived over here all her life because her mother emigrated here in the 1980s) will get a European passport and have those advantages but my children won’t. We were on second or third generation European immgrants at the time of the Brexit vote, people who were born here and considered themselves British or European yet the Brexiteers voted for less rights and less FOM, depriving only those who don’t have the “right” connections.

@Kendodd my post seems to have disappeared, I'll have another go.

Is my son who teaches in Spain via the British Council , an expat, an immigrant, a seasonal worker, a scrounger, a beneficiary of a colonial past?

Is my friend from Kenya( asylum seeker) who survives in a hostel any of the above?