We did not end freedom of movement. The only people we ended fom for is ourselves and our children.

[Kendodd]

I don't know why we would celebrate this.
The children of our EU friends living here still have their fom, when they leave school they'll be free to live and work in any one of 31 countries (I'm pleased for them) our children won't be. I've heard 'EU passport holder' is starting to appear on CVs now as it makes people a more attractive employee in certain sectors.

Oh and I grew up in one of the most deprived areas in the country on state benefits attending a failing school. I made use of fom in my youth and it gave me opportunities young people in my situation won't have anymore. It's not just for rich people.

Maybe the poster deliberately didn't get her daughter an EU passport so that she wouldn't be able to have FoM?

@jasjas1973 that simply isn't true. But when we were in tbe EU it was hard to get a visa if you were from a country outside of the EU. It is much easier now but you need a job to go to.

I know Leave voters won't give a shit about these students but plenty of posters on this thread will feel for them.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/23/thousands-uk-language-students-limbo-brexit-hits-travel-plans?fbclid=IwAR3FpmM1I8hcEAuXMtrPy0cnGAa7Cr8zPExn6IiYZFEbwmkddDg_6CPCghg

Packingsoapandwater:
In reality, it's extremely difficult to learn another language to near fluency post-18 while dealing with everyday working life, and build a sustainable life in a non-tourist area in another EU country .

This may be true for those who did not learn other languages to near fluency pre-18. Learning languages seems to get easier once you have learned a few while young. So I have noticed, anyway.

All my children learned several languages pre-18. And all of them, at various times, built sustainable lives in non-tourist areas in other EU countries than those whose languages they already spoke. (Not Germany, interestingly given your mention, Packing .) Some have returned to UK, but others remain elsewhere in (non-tourist areas) of EU, all with children and partners of various mixed nationalities -- and all with well-paid responsible STEM jobs, some public, some private sector.

It is possible, then. One of the things that puts the grit in the machine of Brit multilingualism is the abysmal standard of school language teaching and learning in UK (particularly England, I have to say). Those of my children who settled back here in England are horrified at what passes for teaching of languages to their children here, so much so they seriously speak of leaving again just for this reason .

And, again, of course, this is all subsumed in the strange British exceptionalism that accepts mediocrity and worse while claiming its superiority, and which was part of what fuelled Brexit.

What goes around ... Now, of course, post Brexit we have less chance of putting anything like this right. But we can rejoice in the maintenance of our insular monolinguism as we glory in our xenophobia.

[quote justab0utsurviving]@jasjas1973 that simply isn't true. But when we were in tbe EU it was hard to get a visa if you were from a country outside of the EU. It is much easier now but you need a job to go to. [/quote]
Having a job to go to isn’t enough. The company need to prove that a foreigner is the best applicant for the job than any other applicant from the EU.

And anyway, what's wrong working for a few seasons in a tourist industry abroad? It sounds great to me.
I went to Lapland a few years ago, at the hotel and running the activities, were young people from all over Europe. They looked like they were having the time of their lives. They were working hard but doing all this really fun stuff and making friends with people from all over the continent. I very much doubt any of them came from wealthy backgrounds or needed money or connections to get this sort of work. It actually made me quite sad because I knew in just a couple of years the Italians, the Romanians, the French, the Irish etc, they would all still be there, having the winters that they'll remember for the rest of there lives, but the working class British kids won't. They'll be one of the very, very few Europeans that will be shut out of these activities.

@Lemonsyellow

When we were in the EU we needed to do the Resident Labour Market Test to prove that there was no one in tbe EU that could do the job but now that we are out, we can source talent from anywhere. No test required - as long as the role/person attracts enough points to qualify then straight to the visa bit. Did one at work in Jan and was very smooth.

@9toenails I don’t care to be honest lol.

plenty of posters on this thread will feel for them

Some of these posts are surreal.

We've pointed out that many have concerns around:

.organised crime
.an infrastructure that is overstretched (NHS, schools, housing)
.reduced employment opportunities for the British in the UK

And now the outcry seems to be because some teenagers cannot visit Lapland

It's as if you were about to have a massive heart attack and you were worried about an ingrown toe nail...

OP, the key takeaway from the article about the language students and the year abroad is that there are teething issues two months after Brexit - again, nothing that one wouldn't expect

Quitting reading the Guardian would also help...

The UK hasn't stopped serious organised crime from non EU countries has it? Albanian gangs...

Albanian 'gangs' enter the UK via the EU;

2016 -
ALBANIAN nationals are allowed into the Schengen area without obtaining a visa provided that they meet certain requirements and do not stay longer than 90 days as Albania is one of the countries being considered for membership of the European Union.

For many Albanians, both Ireland and the United Kingdom are attractive countries but as they are not members of Schengen, any Albanian who wishes to enter, must obtain a visa which under normal circumstances would prohibit work and permanent entry.

Agents of the National Police in Barcelona have arrested 126 Albanians at El Prat Airport who attempted to travel to the UK and Ireland with forged Greek and Italian travel documents. ...

In this particular operation the National Police, working with the authorities at the airport and British officials seized more than 200 fake documents which included Italian identity cards and passports as well as driving licenses and health cards plus a small quantity of Greek documents.

www.euroweeklynews.com/2016/08/19/albanians-carrying-false-documents-arrested-in-barcelona/

So, for those who 'don't know why we would celebrate this', I would suggest you forgot for a minute about jetting off to Lapland, Nice and Barcelona.

Get out of your bubble and start walking the streets and talking to your fellow people. Only then will you be in a position to understand why the majority voted for Brexit and (hopefully) stop moaning.

Yes but when asked to provide links to back up your assertions you go very quiet because what it really comes down to is a harder thing to own.

Brexiters have broken the slightly scratched toy so nobody else can play with it, and they're pretty pleased with themselves.

It must be really hard to live with, it's a little of tragic, convincing yourself the emperor has clothes on.

And now the outcry seems to be because some teenagers cannot visit Lapland
Not visiting, working

when asked to provide links to back up your assertions you go very quiet

The concerns that I've mentioned are due to personal experiences I and people close to me have had (anecdotal, I know)

And I walk the streets and see what's happening. Try doing it next time you visit the UK and you will be able to see it for yourself also.

And I don't mean to be disrespectful by saying this.

Erasmus

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turquoisewaters

What are you seeing when you walk the streets?

How has this improved since the end of the transition period?

What makes it worth the loss of freedom of movement for our young people particularly?

@lifeturnsonadime

I will not be going into details, but I have pointed out my concerns across the thread.

How has this improved since the end of the transition period

You wouldn't expect major changes in a couple of months, obviously it will take time

What makes it worth the loss of freedom of movement for our young people particularly

For me, national sovereignty would sum it up

Interestingly, recent research suggests it was the wealthy (in terms of financial and / or property wealth) who voted Brexit rather than the less well off, as they have the financial resources to weather the fall out.

The findings have implications for the role of wealth-as-insurance in electoral behavior, and also important implications for understanding the Brexit case.

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3764889

For me, national sovereignty would sum it up

What national sovereignty has been gained then?

Can I please have specifics?

Total jobs puts the average wage for a welder at £25k, more than a newly qualified nurse, who will have 50k of debt

And Total jobs puts the average wage for a nurse at £36,678.

Graduate nurses earning £25,000 pa don't have to repay any of their student debt - the threshold for minimum repayments is £26,575 - monthly repayments for graduates earning £27,000 is £3 per month;

media.slc.co.uk/sfe/quickstartfinanceguide/repayment.html

Total jobs puts the average wage for a welder at £25k, more than a newly qualified nurse, who will have 50k of debt

You can train as a welder via an intermediate or advanced apprenticeship - so the equivalent of GCSE or A level qualifications.

Not really comparable to a degree level qualification?

The point is not whether people could apply for permanent settlement, but why on earth anyone would want to.

Landmark EU Settlement Scheme reaches five million applications.

The Home Office has today (11 February 2021) announced it has hit the milestone of five million applications to the EU Settlement Scheme with 4 months still to go before the deadline of 30 June 2021.

This includes more than 4.5 million applications from England, 252,400 from Scotland, 83,800 from Wales and 81,800 from Northern Ireland up to 31 January 2021.

NB - I'm not sure if some people have been double-counted if they applied for pre-settled status first - still far more applications than we were expecting I think.

www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-eu-settlement-scheme-reaches-five-million-applications

Interestingly, recent research suggests it was the wealthy (in terms of financial and / or property wealth) who voted Brexit rather than the less well off, as they have the financial resources to weather the fall out

So, there must be a lot of rich people in the UK then (going by the result of the Referendum). Hard to believe this research (a lot of surveys get it wrong anyway)

It seems more like an attempt to label Leave voters as 'wealthy' so that everyone can despise them at will.

It always puzzled me that when white people go to live in Spain they are the "expat community". When brown people come here they are immigrants.
Or when Polish people come to the UK, they are a problem.

@randomer

It always puzzled me that when white people go to live in Spain they are the "expat community". When brown people come here they are immigrants. Or when Polish people come to the UK, they are a problem.

This tired trope is only trotted out by people determined to label others as racists and bigots. Anyone who was a British Citizen and buggers off to Spain is an expat, as described here, at origin, and regardless of colour. They are mostly white for a variety of reasons including but not limited to the fact that by far the majority of people in the UK are white. No doubt they are (correctly) described as immigrants in Spain. As for "brown people being immigrants" - anyone who comes here to live and work for a significant period is an immigrant - that is a fact. As for Polish people being "a problem", that is another trope used to shut down any sensible debate about EU immigration to the UK.