To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

[FindTheTruth]

Just saw this comment in the comments section of Times Article today talking about Play for Women taking taking the ONS to court for redefining sex in the census

Comment:
I thought that it was an exaggeration that there were extremists who denied sex. Then I went to a local meeting about the toilets in our town. Person after person stood up to say that segregating them by sex was wrong because “sex is reductive and must be replaced by gender identity”. My father - a retired vet - got chatting to one of them afterwards and asked if he knew humans are mammals.
“Ye-es,” he said.
“And if you were to get into breeding other mammals as pets - you would know which cat was of the sex class that could get pregnant by observing their sex organs. So you see, sex is not reductive but instead an absolute basic fundamental in the classification of mammalian life.”
His stupefying reply: “sex is a spectrum, so there would be no guarantees. In that scenario I’d buy a group of cats, leave them alone and they’d figure it out. By the way, you sound like a transphobe.”

AIBU To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

That’s simply not true. Women and parents have valid concerns. I have trans friends and follow several trans people who fully support those concerns. In fact the more trans people who speak up against TRAs the better for everyone no?

@JustAmotherOne

Another day, another “let’s be unpleasant about trans people” post pretending to be an AIBU.

This one even had a fundraising link oh so casually thrown in there.

It’s a sad day when even AIBU has gone to the dogs (or the cats in this case)

Mumsnet in 2021, still claiming to be a welcoming place by parents, for parents.

Spoiler: it isn’t welcoming if you’re trans, or sympathetic to trans people, or a parent of a trans or no binary child.

I could weep for young people today

Another day, another “let’s be unpleasant about trans people” post pretending to be an AIBU.

@JustAmotherOne

Another day, another person thinking mentioning sex is separate from gender and needs to be recognised as such is being mean to trans people. Not caring in the slightest that this Brave New World is being utterly horrendous to biological women to accommodate gender to start with.

People are welcome to
have sex with who they like

People are welcome to
dress and act as they like

and should NOT be discriminated against in any way for those choices

BUT
The biological reality is that
Human Males are males (have a Y Chromosome)
Human females are females (hve only X chromosomes)

and sport, discrimination and afety HAVE to recognise that

ludo
Have you read the threads on those subjects?
I have, and with some exceptions, most people posting on MN are thoughtful and have a wealth of knowledge and understanding and do care about the effect of this on young people. These young people are our kids, our families and our friends. They're not abstract concepts.

Spoiler: it isn’t welcoming if you’re trans, or sympathetic to trans people, or a parent of a trans or no binary child.

If people have a trans or non binary child and think that being kind to that child means agreeing with everything they say, then no, they might not find it welcoming.
If they are planning to actually parent that child and help them stay mentally and physically healthy, while following evidence based practice/parenting/medicine, I imagine it's a really helpful place to be.

We can pontificate here on mumsnet about whether we can choose to be a man or a women as much as we like, meanwhile we have a generation of teens who are "transing" for what ever reason.

I think you will find many of us here are currently dealing with teens and know about and are hugely concerned about these issues. Why do you think otherwise?

I don’t hate trans people. I believe we all should have the right to live happy, safe lives. TRAs don’t want that. They want men and trans people to have safe lives and rights at the expense of women’s safety and rights.

And biological sex is a fact. It is not hateful or phobic for me to say that.

@ConeHat

Humans who believe they can form a baby without a uterus and eggs and Male gametes are 🤯

It's like saying death is state of mind. Wont stop your corpse decomposing as biology cares not for human ideologies.

That is why my first love is science. The laws of science can not be bend to will.

For a human to be born with male DNA they can not give birth unless you introduce female DNA organs. You cant just strain and grow one from.pure will of mind.

Cats dont have voices to communicate gender identities or private health care to turn their penises into virgins, yet....

Another poster that has nailed it!! 👏👏

There is an ancient proverb that translates something like this: “Do not try to reason with stupid people. It just makes them angry.”

So, we have 96% of 730 votes who clearly understand that sex is not a spectrum.

Why and how have we ended up in the situation we are in? Where women are drummed out of social circles, fired, vilified, and female politicians are threatened, for even questioning what is going on?

Next month, the census will record 'gender identity' and encourage people to identify with whichever sex they feel suits.

The Scottish government are currently debating a law on hate crime that could make it a criminal offence to misgender people.

Under 16s are still, in Scotland, being prescribed puberty blockers - despite a judicial review in England deciding they couldn't possibly make such a potentially life-changing decision on such flimsy evidence.

How did we get here, and how do we get back to science, reason, and civil debate?

My cat refuses to say what sex they is but they swats me with their left paw.

www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jan/22/paw-choice-cats-show-right-and-left-hand-preferences

This.

My neighbour's cat used to swat me with both paws. Bi-pawdal?

I stumble into these kind of threads and it’s such a head fuck, it reminds me of when ex kept telling me I was crazy over and over to point I actually thought he’s right and I’m in some kind of denial.

It’s really horrible.

I don’t understand half of what’s being said which makes it worse, it’s exhausting trying to decipher it and I no longer going to try.

Facts, biology and sex is what I stand by.

Simultaneous swatting or a quick one two?🐱

A quick one two from memory.

The most famous time was when he was sitting on my pizza and I wanted him to move.

@ArabellaScott

So, we have 96% of 730 votes who clearly understand that sex is not a spectrum.

Why and how have we ended up in the situation we are in? Where women are drummed out of social circles, fired, vilified, and female politicians are threatened, for even questioning what is going on?

Next month, the census will record 'gender identity' and encourage people to identify with whichever sex they feel suits.

The Scottish government are currently debating a law on hate crime that could make it a criminal offence to misgender people.

Under 16s are still, in Scotland, being prescribed puberty blockers - despite a judicial review in England deciding they couldn't possibly make such a potentially life-changing decision on such flimsy evidence.

How did we get here, and how do we get back to science, reason, and civil debate?

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

"Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?
Exceedingly rich, white men (and women) who invest in biomedical companies are funding myriad transgender organizations whose agenda will make them gobs of money"

Cats aren’t defined as male/ female? Pretty sure that this would be news to cats!

So we accept, I think, that cats are divided according to reproductive organs into 'male' and 'female'.

I've been quite curious about how we 'gender' cats. This is about how we might ascribe particular behavioural characteristics to them on the basis of their sex. I know that some of these are biological - for example, many male cats wander if they haven't had their bits removed because they are looking for girl cats to impregnate before they become dead-beat Dads (and probably to multiple baby Mummies).

When I was growing up I don't recall that we ascribed gender to cats. It was assumed that if we didn't actually know the sex of a cat then it was a 'he' (just like 'he' was the standard legal pronoun and so-on). As a child, most animals to me were automatic 'he'. This included a neighbour's cat who, as I said in an earlier post, I assumed was a 'he' because he was monumentally stupid - in fact that was his nickname. When I was all grown-up (wrong side of 40) my parents told me that 'he' was a 'she' and her kittens had been aborted when she was spayed (and that next door had told her this). I was devastated. In fact, I still refer to him as he because I cannot wrap my brain around him being a her (he was a very, very special Meezer - the whole street loved him).

However, I've noticed that some cat slaves and even people who have not seen the light and are not cat people ascribe gendered characteristics to cats.

For example:

• she's a little Miss. Won't get her pretty paws wet that one. Not like her brother who likes adventures!
• male cats are always bigger and the boss - they let the girls know who is boss (Caveat - I'm pretty sure the person who said this now frequents MRA sites).
• He's a real boy - he's cuddly but he does like his freedom!
• She's a real girl - she's not a lap cat!

... and so on.

I am genuinely curious as to whether this is due to (a) real biologically based behaviours (b) human anthropomorphising (c) the strengthening of the idea of 'gender' in the human world so that we are even applying it to animals or (d) something else.

@JustAmotherOne

Another day, another “let’s be unpleasant about trans people” post pretending to be an AIBU.

This one even had a fundraising link oh so casually thrown in there.

It’s a sad day when even AIBU has gone to the dogs (or the cats in this case)

Mumsnet in 2021, still claiming to be a welcoming place by parents, for parents.

Spoiler: it isn’t welcoming if you’re trans, or sympathetic to trans people, or a parent of a trans or no binary child.

But, but ...

... It is plain silly to think it makes sense to say the sex of cats is on a spectrum, no? And if your ideology leads you to make such a silly claim, it must be that your ideology is also plain silly. Do you see how that follows?

And, well, being sympathetic to someone need not preclude pointing out when they are being plain silly. In fact, the opposite is true: to pretend anyone behaving in such a silly way is not being silly would be patronising in the extreme.

If you are, for example, a parent of a child claiming to be ' non-binary ' or suchlike, it is your duty as a parent to explain to your child sympathetically of course, and with due deference to childish vocabulary and age-related conceptual development etc. how silly they are being. That is part of what being a loving parent consists in.

And if your child tells you they have been told cat sex is non-binary? Laugh with them.

Do try not to be silly yourself.

@PurpleKoala

On the (non) argument that only a vanishingly small number of women may be effected by trans inclusion. Flip it on its head. Give one good reason why a vanishingly small number of trans people should, just because they want to compete in sport or whatever, bring about a wholesale change to sporting rules, social norms, sexual relationships and common terminology?

What an excellent point. Thank you xx