To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

[FindTheTruth]

Just saw this comment in the comments section of Times Article today talking about Play for Women taking taking the ONS to court for redefining sex in the census

Comment:
I thought that it was an exaggeration that there were extremists who denied sex. Then I went to a local meeting about the toilets in our town. Person after person stood up to say that segregating them by sex was wrong because “sex is reductive and must be replaced by gender identity”. My father - a retired vet - got chatting to one of them afterwards and asked if he knew humans are mammals.
“Ye-es,” he said.
“And if you were to get into breeding other mammals as pets - you would know which cat was of the sex class that could get pregnant by observing their sex organs. So you see, sex is not reductive but instead an absolute basic fundamental in the classification of mammalian life.”
His stupefying reply: “sex is a spectrum, so there would be no guarantees. In that scenario I’d buy a group of cats, leave them alone and they’d figure it out. By the way, you sound like a transphobe.”

AIBU To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

A trans person entering into a fun run doesn’t affect YOU personally (although no doubt it will turn out that you’ll claim I am Wrong)

A trans woman entering into a women’s golf tournament in a sleepy village in Kent does not affect YOUR life. When it does by all means do something about it but it’s all a storm in a tea cup.

Many things in life doesn't affect me personally, especially in sports. Doesnt mean that I can't see the unfairness and how it's spilling into other aspects of life. Is there absolutely nothing in the world that makes you go 'that's not right', even if it doesn't affect you personally, @shannon9873? In fact when it affects women, it does affect us all personally on some level - it's taking away from the equality we all fought and stood for at some point.

Never mind you're now minimising the issue to fit your own agenda, women and girls in actual sports are beginning to be pushed out of what they consider their jobs, their full-time careers as trans women take their spaces. Either trans women shouldn't be in any female sports or they should, there no 'but some fun run' vs the cycling or weightlifting championships about it.

Yeah that definitely happened...

Yes, you've said that enough times, we've got it. Storm in a teacup. Thanks for your input.

Can we not this time please. I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m just saying the reaction it creates is out of proportion to the actual events

@Shannon9873 so what you're saying is 'women are quite right to think it's unfair and unethical, but because most of us aren't professional sports people we have no right to point it out because that's crossing the line into overreaction'?

@Cissyandflora

Mine doesn’t even know he’s a cat. He believes he’s my son and we never discuss it.

My cat believes he runs the household. He's not wrong. I'm just here to pay the mortgage and open the cat food packets.

@Shannon9873

It’s usually around this time someone gets irritated that I refuse to back down and I get reported and banned (4 times now I think).

Can we not this time please. I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m just saying the reaction it creates is out of proportion to the actual events

Is that you on a chamomile tea? How are you on normal days then?

A trans person entering into a fun run doesn’t affect YOU personally

christ on a bike

I've never been a political prisoner or been subject to female genital mutilation either. am I not allowed to care about them then?

what a ludicrous argument

Ok hands up, how many of you here have been pushed out of sport or have a family member/friend who has?

It doesn't really matter does it. Because it effects women and that is what I am concerned about. There's plenty of things that haven't directly happened to me, but it doesn't mean that I am not concerned about the effect to other women. And in cases where men identifying as women and take women's spaces, be it toilets, gyms, hospitals, changing rooms, prisons, sport, education, scholarships, is a far reaching problems for many many reasons. Although fwiw, my daughter was pushed out of her football team, not because she wanted to leave, but because it simply wasn't safe for her to play anymore once it became mixed sex in the name of inclusivity.

The trouble with that census question is that people will be recorded incorrectly as trans when they are not.

Apparently it is going to ask if your ‘gender identity’ matches your body. As I don’t have a ‘gender identity’ and the only time I might have was when I was a teen struggling with gender norms imposed on me because I was girl and often got called a ‘Tom Boy’, then I’d have to say ‘no.’

So I’d be recorded as trans.

I’m not trans.

The human race and for that matter, different species in the animal kingdom, have survived not because of their gender (a social construct for some) but their biological sex. The only people who say "sex is reductive" are those (in a minority) who are fully paid up members of the gender, ideology/cult.

rather a strange discussion this morning.

@ErrolTheDragon

Yes, you've said that enough times, we've got it. Storm in a teacup. Thanks for your input.

You know, you’re right. It’s just going round in circles now and readers will either take my point on board or they won’t.

I think I will go entertain myself elsewhere.

First of all, I don't believe the person writing that comment.
Second, the census is going to ask about sex and gender separately. As in, biological sex and gender identity. So the figures should be fairly accurate. There's nothing to get worked up about.

I'm this close to hiding the AIBU board. Too much of this shite lately.

I always assumed the cat I grew up with was male because (s)he was as thick as mince. The nickname was 'Stupid'.

When I was all grown-up it was explained to me that said cat was definitely female and that her kittens had been aborted at the same time she was spayed.

There is a lesson in here somewhere about sex and gender. I'll leave it to someone else to find it.

My cat thinks that people, especially those in power , who can pretend to believe something that is patently false to suit some political agenda , might be very dangerous.

Most people who say 'calm down love' are male
Most people who dismiss unfairness in women's sports are male

Second, the census is going to ask about sex and gender separately. As in, biological sex and gender identity. So the figures should be fairly accurate. There's nothing to get worked up about.

@Ijustreallywantacat

The sex question on the census will be mandatory, so will need to be answered by all. However, for those whose gender is different from their sex registered at birth, who may find the question difficult to answer, the answer they provide does not need to be the same as their birth certificate.

From the ONS. You think there's nothing to be worked up about tgat you can make up your sex? How will that give an accurate figure?

@Originalusername2021

I don’t believe that happened, also Humans are a lot more complex than cats.

But you still need a biological male and a biological female in order to reproduce.

The poster who claimed women were going to die because ‘Brenda’ is competing with the mums rather than the dads in an egg and spoon race - yeah that’s a bit ridiculous

Which poster claimed this? I read a poster referring to the increased chances of a woman dying competing in a contact sport which included a male. Is that what you are referring to? Because there is now quite a bit of evidence that shows the chances are much higher.

And as a mother of an older teenaged daughter playing sport, too right I am interested in this. Do you honestly think parents of girls playing sport are ‘anti trans’ for wanting to make their sport safer and fairer?

Are you minimizing my concern as misguided because YOU feel it will never effect her?

I'm amused at all the people thinking there is no way this happened when you only have to go onto twitter for five minutes to find people seriously arguing that sex is a spectrum in humans because slugs, clownfish and, in one particularly stupid tweet, potatoes.

Tibtom

Unfortunately I think there are a fair number of youngish females who also dismiss the very real threat to women's sport.

The point about the census is that we will be asked to put our sex as what is on a birth certificate........as people are changing that quite easily it will bring in self ID which as we know is not an accurate reflection of sex, and as we are told that sex is important when planning future services for the population , it seems crucial

JestTurtles Potatoes have genders now ? And a spectrum of sex manifestations?

I was just getting my head around the multifaceted genders of cats.

< heads of to buy some rice as suddenly uncomfortable with potato mash for dinner >

I haven’t read the full thread, but the most worrying thing to me is that the meeting was clearly infiltrated by activists pushing their minority point of view: one which ignores the needs of the majority.

This is happening in all kinds of political groups and in particular, women’s groups. These activists are obsessed.