Do you think the English, if given a vote, would vote for independence from the rest of the UK?

[Kendodd]

Yabu - No they wouldn't
Yanbu - Yes they would

The break up of the UK seems high chance to me, maybe 60/40 to be voted for within the next ten years. They don't ever seem to ask the English what would you personally vote?

No I wouldn't vote to leave as I like the union. But I think Scotland should be allowed their say - Brexit did change things significantly. I voted for Brexit so it would be hypocritical not to allow countries to vote for independence if they want it.

Wales abs NI top of course if their populations wanted the vote.

I am not saying that the Welsh don’t have legitimate grievances Poster00.

It’s all ridiculous. The U.K. is stronger together than individually. But if they want to become like little nonentity Lichtenstein then so be it. It would be interesting from geo political observation stand point. But bad for everyone living on the British Isles.

Of course London would still be a wonderful cultural centre, but it couldn’t legally take U.K. national belongings and institutions if it leaves the U.K.

The contents of the British museum, British library etc would have to be relocated, as would all the national institutions and government. You can’t expect to keep the property of a nation you are no longer in.

You can’t have the national institute for clinical excellence or the national gallery or the national theatre in a foreign state. That would be absurd.

To respond to a previous poster, I don't think England needs a regional government now that we have EVEL. Certainly before that there was a huge difficulty with the West Lothian question but now EVEL means that (for example) the Labour Govt in 1998 wouldn't have been able to vote through tuition fees in English Universities with the support of their Scottish Labour MPs.

Of course London would still be a wonderful cultural centre, but it couldn’t legally take U.K. national belongings and institutions if it leaves the U.K.

Why not ? The law is only what parliament make it to be.

@MarshaBradyo, you asked for an example of referendum with a qualified majority. The Good Friday Agreement is an example.

In terms of heritage and democracy, we have to follow international law, not just U.K. law.

[quote DioneTheDiabolist]@MarshaBradyo, you asked for an example of referendum with a qualified majority. The Good Friday Agreement is an example.[/quote]
Or indeed the 2014 Indyref.

Or the 1975 EEC referendum.

[quote DioneTheDiabolist]@MarshaBradyo, you asked for an example of referendum with a qualified majority. The Good Friday Agreement is an example.[/quote]
As I said I’m not against minimum majority.

Better discussion than ‘it’s not fair’

I think both Scotland and Wales ought to consider what they would be exchanging union with England for.

Hey, great idea, thank goodness you suggested it, otherwise the Scots and Welsh might vote randomly without thinking about what they are doing.

@Stripesnomore

In terms of heritage and democracy, we have to follow international law, not just U.K. law.

Again, why ? After all we aren't even 6 months from parliament voting to break the GFA in a "limited and specific way". And I've spoken to enough gung-ho Brexiteers who feel any international treaty is too much for the sovereign UK.

Nigeria would quite like the Benin Bronzes back but I haven't seen the British Museum show much enthusiasm for that.

I’m in London and would prefer Scotland to be independent, to be absolutely honest. I don’t know why it isn’t already. Even though I quite agree with NS in most ways and think Scotland has every right to another independence referendum after the shitshow of Brexit, I’m tired of looking at her and listening to it all. We would save loads of money if Scotland went independent and this could be invested in the North of England and then Andy Burnham might stop whining as well. Wales could go independent as well, but I doubt they would because where would they work?

Stripes, there's no (legal) basis for that at all - why do think so? They are all the property of the UK Government at present!

Whether or not individual people feel that the U.K. doesn’t have to follow international conventions doesn’t change the fact that it does.

But if they want to become like little nonentity Lichtenstein then so be it.

Would that be the same Liechtenstein that has the highest GDP per capita in the world? If so, please sign me up.

Lex, exactly things that are the property of the U.K. government would remain the property of the U.K. government of London left the U.K.

If, not of.

Its actually quite a difficult point because the Scottish equivalents are devolved in the main. So on England dissolving the Union, they are not "UK property" in that sense.

@Timpeall

Nigeria would quite like the Benin Bronzes back but I haven't seen the British Museum show much enthusiasm for that.

Not all items in UK museums were looted or stolen. Some were bought from whoever was in charge in the country in question at the time. Just because that country has decided it's not happy with the same, doesn't necessarily mean it's not ours.

(I have no idea about the items you mention though).

That being said. on a balance of probabilities, things are more likely to be nicked than bought ....

TheCatthatgotthecream.....I would be happy for the Scots to keep their money it is so minuscule in comparison to what is sent from central Government.

SoCadent...Legsit...had me in stitches, thank you.😂

For the record I love Scotland and its Scottish, English and wherever else they are from inhabitants, I don't like NS, Blackford the SNP etc....that is all I am exposed to...

@Stripesnomore

Whether or not individual people feel that the U.K. doesn’t have to follow international conventions doesn’t change the fact that it does.

It does massively if it's the UK government passing a law in parliament allowing itself to.

I am not talking about what would happen to London based institutions if other countries leaving the union. I am talking about what would happen if London left.

If Wales or Scotland or NI left then a proportion of British property beyond what they individually already have should go with them.

Not all of us here north of the border hate England. Some of us are sick of the fucking whining and mere sound of wee fuckin nippy

And some of us are intelligent enough to understand its not about "hating England" but Westminster, not the same thing. And some of us also think its really sad that some people have to resort to a stupid misogynistic nickname for the First Minister.

Smiling here at the anti SNP comments from Scottish people certainly not representative of most people I know and the polls, which of course could be wrong but I doubt it the SNP are on for a landslide victory in May.