Congratulations to Meghan and Harry - baby no.2 on the way!

[bluewanda]

Lovely news, congrats to them both!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259925/Meghan-Markle-pregnant-Duchess-confirms-Prince-Harry-expecting-baby.html

Anne’s children are not Prince or Princess. They decided they wouldn’t be “Royal”. Good decision.

The press here can do very good work. At its best it illuminates stories that would go unnoticed. Generally we are less in thrall to celebrity. We have some poor journalism but by no means all of it is. If we didn’t have a fairly decent press, there would be no criticism of Prince Andrew. It would be hushed up. Instead we have reasonable investigation.

@PresentingPercy

The press here can do very good work. At its best it illuminates stories that would go unnoticed. Generally we are less in thrall to celebrity. We have some poor journalism but by no means all of it is. If we didn’t have a fairly decent press, there would be no criticism of Prince Andrew. It would be hushed up. Instead we have reasonable investigation.

Oh absolutely.

The repeated front page and online stories about Andrew's repeated refusal to speak to the FBI trying to unravel depraved strands of child and human trafficking has had quadruple the word count of whether H&M are damaging their son by not taking him on a tour of Royal relatives during a global pandemic.

Presenting Percy
But its Oprah. She's a friend. She is black and will just nod with approval

Well at least you're blatantly racist. Others can't even express it. Much less say the 'B' word in connection with MM

Because the UK is a post racial society... Racism is a foreign thing and anyone pointing it out is obviously not one of us.

Why is that racist? Don’t be so stupid! However do you not actually think that as Meghan said the media was racist here, she might like a black woman to interview her whom she invited to her wedding after a single meeting? It’s a very sensible choice for Meghan but there won’t be any awkward questions will there? Not like Emily Maitlis and Andrew.

There is also the question about the fact the Royal Family have no right of reply. It’s utterly one sided. The RF will squirm.

Perhaps a reset on what racist means might be in order? This interview has been widely commented upon by the responsible press here without anyone throwing the racist card at the journalists. Mainly because it’s not racist to mention race in this circumstance because no one is discriminating against Meghan or Oprah.

Presenting Percy you're just frothing about your own words.

You said interview would be easy because Oprah is Black. So colour is an issue - isn't it? You're only coming with the ranting foot in mouth 'add-ons' now.

Meghan Markle is you and your ilk's obsession. Definition of stupid. As racists are, of course.

Good🙂

What a strange post. I’m not ranting or frothing. I’m certainly not racist. It’s a perfectly reasonable argument to say, for various reasons, Meghan has chosen a “friend” to interview her. Someone despite not knowing, she invited to her wedding. I’m more than happy to suggest that was for solidarity and the black sisterhood. It could be because she was looking forward. Whatever the case, why shouldn’t Meghan choose a black woman to interview her? However it will be a sympathetic ear and there’s no denying that. It is certainly nit racist to make the points nor should debate be closed down by using the racist taunt.

@PresentingPercy

Why is that racist? Don’t be so stupid! However do you not actually think that as Meghan said the media was racist here, she might like a black woman to interview her whom she invited to her wedding after a single meeting? It’s a very sensible choice for Meghan but there won’t be any awkward questions will there? Not like Emily Maitlis and Andrew.

There is also the question about the fact the Royal Family have no right of reply. It’s utterly one sided. The RF will squirm.

Perhaps a reset on what racist means might be in order? This interview has been widely commented upon by the responsible press here without anyone throwing the racist card at the journalists. Mainly because it’s not racist to mention race in this circumstance because no one is discriminating against Meghan or Oprah.

Presumably as Emily Maitlis was interviewing someone who was hanging around (at best) with a sex trafficker and paedophile, there were plenty of awkward questions that needed to be put forward. What a bizarre comparison.

As for the royal family not having the right of reply, you've rather contradicted yourself there by mentioning Andrew, who arrogantly thought his right of reply would make the controversy go away. Charles, Diana and Fergie all took to TV to say their piece.

As for what racist means, what would you like to 'reset' exactly?

'There is also the question about the fact the Royal Family have no right of reply. It’s utterly one sided. '

Yes I mean what next, Kate going on Jonathan Ross to put her side forward. It is all so very crass and gossipy. Very predictable though.

The RF won’t go on tv to counter what Meghan says re her side of the story. Their friends could brief the media but that deepens the rift, doesn’t it.

I meant the pp needs to reset her view of what racism is. It’s not legitimate comment on why Meghan chose Oprah. It’s not acceptable to cry racism to silence views and effectively no platform me by unfounded accusations. The Oprah interview has been discussed widely by the responsible media and why Oprah was the go to interviewer. It’s a legitimate discussion.

And who wants another Andrew car crash? Charles learnt his lesson re spilling all. It won’t happen again. There’s huge speculation that lawyers are fuming at the privacy case that now looks like she doesn’t want privacy at all.

There is a big difference between privacy and controlling incessant intrusion into your life by the gutter press. I'd do exactly the same if I were them.
Privacy doesn't mean they can't live a life and support the charities they want, set up a foundation, have a voice if that's what they want.

Yes I'd want control too, nothing wrong with that.

What I wouldn't do is complain about others commenting unfairly about me, whilst then commenting unfairly about others. Double standards make them look silly.

It’s amazing how many Mumsnetters are gifted with ESP. The interview hasn’t even been filmed, and yet so many of you know already what is going to be said. Remarkable.

The interview hasn’t even been filmed, and yet so many of you know already what is going to be said.

Oh, with MM, the ESP is strong.

They know what the Queen is thinking. Harry’s innermost conflicts. What went down with Wills. Predicting this is a piece of piss to them.

But we have reached new levels of clutching at straws when the arguments are being backed up by what they will say, at some point in the future, definitely.

It’s amazing how many Mumsnetters are gifted with ESP. The interview hasn’t even been filmed, and yet so many of you know already what is going to be said. Remarkable

I know!
The negative posts about it are already drafted, and will hit t'internet with great force!
I imagine certain posters are also already incensed about the birth announcement that is going to happen. The timing of it. The picture that may well accompany it. Incensed, I tell you!

@PresentingPercy

The RF won’t go on tv to counter what Meghan says re her side of the story. Their friends could brief the media but that deepens the rift, doesn’t it.

I meant the pp needs to reset her view of what racism is. It’s not legitimate comment on why Meghan chose Oprah. It’s not acceptable to cry racism to silence views and effectively no platform me by unfounded accusations. The Oprah interview has been discussed widely by the responsible media and why Oprah was the go to interviewer. It’s a legitimate discussion.

Maybe the royal family caused the rift. Who knows?

As for you claiming being 'no platformed', I can only assume you don't understand what the term means Here you are expressing your views so you absolutely haven't been no platformed.

'The interview hasn’t even been filmed, and yet so many of you know already what is going to be said. Remarkable.'

Well we know H has a humongous chip on his shoulder about his 'treatment' by the Queen, not being allowed to be half in and half out and losing some patronages. We know they shoe horned negative comments into the African doc suggesting they weren't supported. We know they ok'd negative trashy crap about his UK family in Finding Freedom (sorry if you've conveniently no idea of the content but it has been widely quoted in the msm). So you'd have to be living in cloud cuckoo land to think this chat show appearance will be anything less than a score settling excerise.

As I say, fine. But don't complain others criticise you unfairly then do exactly the same thing yourself.

Can we actually identify any overt criticism from H&M of any member of the royal family?

What they are definitely going to say on Oprah doesn’t count.

Taking your first paragraph, there is a huge amount of assumption there. Maybe they will just be talking about life over in the US, their charity initiatives, their Foundation they are setting up, Archie, pregnancy, Covid and how it's affected them, plans for the future etc...
Could be just that you know?
I doubt they will be totally throwing RF under the bus much as you would like that.
And my personal opinion is... I don't blame them for going to US, good on them, escaping the RF was a good move.
Personally, I will wait and see.

(sorry if you've conveniently no idea of the content but it has been widely quoted in the msm).
why do you insist that everyone has read it or seen it msn?
some people have not, why can't you accept that?

@samcro if you've chosen to ignore the huge bloody fanfare about that sodding book that's up to you. It's not because it hasn't been widely reported. Stating something has been given lots of column inches in mainstream media is a fact. It's up to you if you haven't read it. It's all there.

that might be a fact. but a certain poster is pretty much calling posters who say they haven't read it liars. that is what I was posting about.
it might be all over sm/msn but I don't do msn and its not been on my fb.

I think anyone who comments favourably on the motivations of M and H should of necessity have read FF. Its impossible to come to a judgement otherwise. Also, the interviews they gave in Africa which were all about themselves and how hard done by they feel. In the midst of unimaginable poverty and hardship. Real hardship.
The preaching on nearly every subject that they think will get them attention whilst not giving up anything themselves. Gas guzzling cars, private flights, enormous houses with enough bedrooms for an Army platoon. If they want to set themselves up as gurus, they need to walk the talk. I accept that other members of the family also seem to have little regard for the environment. That’s really irksome, but they don’t give sanctimonious speeches to whoever will listen. The speeches that Charles or William give are within their roles in the RF. H and M have stepped away from all that. They don’t have any official platform at all in the US and have no status whatsoever. Just notoriety. They seem to be using that notoriety to make as much money as they can. They are already very very wealthy. They could be doing genuine good in the world, quietly, for its own sake, not to build a ‘brand’.
It would be so easy for them to get on with living a quiet life, doing good works without courting publicity for themselves personally. Bring up their children away from the limelight. Stop giving interviews and writing awful books whilst denying input which is clearly from them. Stop with the ‘poor me’ rhetoric when they are so, so fortunate to have what they do. Show a bit of gratitude and humility . It would completely turn the negative perceptions around.