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bluewanda · 2021-02-14T22:13:20+00:00

Lovely news, congrats to them both! [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259925/Meghan-Markle-pregnant-Duchess-confirms-Prince-Harry-expecting-baby.html]]

RickiTarr · 17/02/2021 13:34

@Roussette

It’s really unfair of you to accuse us all of being bad faith actors with an entirely different motivation

I'd also like clarification on that. Where have I accused anyone of anything?

I can’t make it any clearer @Roussette. Several of us have objected to non-working royals keeping dukedoms. You insist you know better about our motivation and that it is something “detractors” of the Sussexes “keep going on about” to have a pop at them .

Roussette · 17/02/2021 13:35

I literally don't understand your post.

I did not mention you personally in my post about the Dukedoms but if you want to take it as meaning you, that's up to you.

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2021 13:37

Several of us have objected to non-working royals keeping dukedoms

You do realise that non royals have dukedoms too?

derxa · 17/02/2021 13:42

This talk of stripping of titles seems very mean spirited and it won't happen. Hereditary titles remain whether the person is a scoundrel or not. Should we strip Lady Sarah Chatto of her title. She doesn't do any royal duties. I looked up her Wiki page and her life sounds like an EM Forster novel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Sarah_Chatto

RickiTarr · 17/02/2021 13:47

@TheKeatingFive

Several of us have objected to non-working royals keeping dukedoms

You do realise that non royals have dukedoms too?

Yes of course, but we’re talking ATM about the royal Dukedoms which are in the Queen’s gift and she hands out to her relatives.

Non-royal dukedoms are inherited. I’m more than happy to discuss abolishing the aristocracy too though.

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2021 13:52

Non-royal dukedoms are inherited

They can be gifted by the queen also. They all start somewhere.

RickiTarr · 17/02/2021 13:53

[quote derxa]This talk of stripping of titles seems very mean spirited and it won't happen. Hereditary titles remain whether the person is a scoundrel or not. Should we strip Lady Sarah Chatto of her title. She doesn't do any royal duties. I looked up her Wiki page and her life sounds like an EM Forster novel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Sarah_Chatto[/quote]
Even I’m not advocating stripping the titles they get at birth, and I seem to be the sans culottes revolutionary of the thread.

Lady Sarah Chatto has held that title since birth, it’s her name, fine let her keep it.

Prince Harry has been Prince Harry (Henry) since birth. Ditto, it’s his name, he should keep his name.

Prince Andrew is as born Prince Andrew. That’s his name, ditto.

What I do think should be removed from non-working royals are the extra titles that they are given in adulthood, and given in the expectation that they will be working royals.

Two different things entirely.

derxa · 17/02/2021 14:06

What I do think should be removed from non-working royals are the extra titles that they are given in adulthood, and given in the expectation that they will be working royals. Wouldn't that mean Meghan would be Princess Henry similar to Princess Michael of Kent? She wouldn't like that

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2021 14:07

What I do think should be removed from non-working royals are the extra titles that they are given in adulthood, and given in the expectation that they will be working royals.

But I’m not sure they are given in any expectation.

I don’t see anything to say the queen can’t dish them out as she sees fit, because she wants them to have it.

Peaseblossom22 · 17/02/2021 16:29

The difference between PA and MM is that one is family and one is a stranger who has married in . Whatever else happens PA is the Queen's son, she may not like what he has done, she may not even like him much but he is her son and presumably she loves him warts and all and she certainly loves his daughter you only have to see how she looks at Beatrice in those wedding photos.

MM is someone she has barely met, who has shown her very little respect ( in the eyes of a 96 year old) and probably doesn’t care much for her and who doesn’t bother to hide her contempt for the institution. The Queen probably reciprocates these feelings.

The Queen is only interested in MM to the extent that her actions affect her grandson and The Crown ( note the capital letters) as an institution otherwise she is a very irritating stranger who she is forced to occasionally pay lip service to.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 17/02/2021 16:36

Yes, exactly. Titles that are a birthright so to speak are one thing. Titles bestowed in expectation that work will be done for the institution bestowing them is another.

TheKeatingFive · 17/02/2021 16:38

Titles bestowed in expectation that work will be done for the institution bestowing them is another.

Where is the evidence that titles are bestowed in this expectation?

cinammonbuns · 17/02/2021 16:48

@PresentingPercy I hope you find it in yourself to get a life. It’s pathetic and sad that you seem so involved with the lives of strangers. How do we know Harry is happy? How would we know any random human with no relation to us is happy.

What a weirdo. And I’m not sure why Oprah being black has anything to do with anything.

Roussette · 17/02/2021 16:51

The difference between PA and MM is that one is family and one is a stranger who has married in

I was thinking more Harry. He's family too
No idea how you know what the Queen is thinking

GoLightlyontheEarth · 17/02/2021 16:56

Meghan was expected to be a working member of the family.

Peaseblossom22 · 17/02/2021 17:02

@Roussette I don’t . I’m just surmising as we all are . But let’s face it how many people are fonder of their grand - daughter in law than their son , however awful the son ? I don’t know just pointing out that she’s not family and the Queen hardly knows her . Of course she b my at think she’s the best thing since sliced bread who knows ?

Becles · 17/02/2021 17:38

@GoLightlyontheEarth

Meghan was expected to be a working member of the family.

Meh. Mark Phillips was offered a title, but turned it down, same for Anne's children. There was never an expectation that they would have to be fully clocking in to 'earn' them at the time.

The demands to strip these two of titles is purely spite dressed as sanctimonious tripe.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 17/02/2021 17:52

Maybe if Mark Philips had moved to another country and written a book which totally embarrassed the family people might have felt he should be relieved of his title too?

CallmeAngelina · 17/02/2021 18:06

@Peaseblossom22

The difference between PA and MM is that one is family and one is a stranger who has married in . Whatever else happens PA is the Queen's son, she may not like what he has done, she may not even like him much but he is her son and presumably she loves him warts and all and she certainly loves his daughter you only have to see how she looks at Beatrice in those wedding photos.

MM is someone she has barely met, who has shown her very little respect ( in the eyes of a 96 year old) and probably doesn’t care much for her and who doesn’t bother to hide her contempt for the institution. The Queen probably reciprocates these feelings.

The Queen is only interested in MM to the extent that her actions affect her grandson and The Crown ( note the capital letters) as an institution otherwise she is a very irritating stranger who she is forced to occasionally pay lip service to.

Of course, whilst none of us knows what the Queen really thinks about anything, I doubt she did "reciprocate these feelings," although she may well do now. In fact, I'd say she went out of her way to welcome Meghan and afforded her attentions that no one before had been given. The photos and film footage of those days show a warm relationship growing.

JingsMahBucket · 17/02/2021 19:31

@PresentingPercy
There is a need to investigative press. In the USA it is largely absent. They do accept celebrity culture more readily and do not question it.

This is bullshit. Just because the press in the US isn’t full on gutter press that tears people apart for bloodthirsty glee like the UK press corp doesn’t mean they aren’t investigative. The UK public and its press have an extremely warped cultural sense of privacy compared to other countries. Why are so many of the successful newspapers in the trashy UK red tops instead of better quality journalism? The UK has the kind of press its public wants. Gossip mongering trash for petty people who only want to tear someone down who doesn’t conform.

RickiTarr · 17/02/2021 20:10

This is bullshit. Just because the press in the US isn’t full on gutter press that tears people apart for bloodthirsty glee like the UK press corp doesn’t mean they aren’t investigative. The UK public and its press have an extremely warped cultural sense of privacy compared to other countries. Why are so many of the successful newspapers in the trashy UK red tops instead of better quality journalism? The UK has the kind of press its public wants. Gossip mongering trash for petty people who only want to tear someone down who doesn’t conform

It’s stratified by class. UK has red top tabloids. US has supermarket trash mags.

No sensible person would say the whole of the U.K. public “wants” The Sun, any more than they would say the entire US public “wants” The National Enquirer.

The marketing segmentation for these things is very precise and depressingly accurate. Some people like to read bollocks.

OTOH didn’t MM’s friends sell stories to Us magazine or People or both? Those aren’t quality American publications, are they?

Brefugee · 17/02/2021 20:31

Wouldn't that mean Meghan would be Princess Henry similar to Princess Michael of Kent? She wouldn't like that

Close personal friend are you?

There are various options when you marry a prince as a non-royal. One is Princess His Name Of His Dukedom (or whatever) which Princess Michael took. No idea why, maybe she likes being princess?

IIRC Diana could have been Princess Charles? Not really that bothered though to look it up.

Frankly I think all the titles should die out with the current holder. I'm in Germany, a republic, and they insist on hanging on to being Prinz whoever (Ernst August of Hannover maybe?) it's infuriating and i always want to shout "it's a republic you fucker" whenever i see it.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 17/02/2021 20:35

'OTOH didn’t MM’s friends sell stories to Us magazine or People or both? Those aren’t quality American publications, are they?'

Exactly. Bit awks after the pp's 'brits get the gossip mongering trash they want' speech.

As I've said throughout it's the inconsistencies with the whole sorry saga isn't it.

Peaseblossom22 · 17/02/2021 22:17

@Brefugee Prince Michael of Kent is the younger brother of the Duke of Kent. He is a Prince because his father was the son of George 5th . The grandson of a monarch through the male line is a Prince, this could also apply to Prince Edwards son but his parents chose for him to be styled as a Viscount as a courtesy title. This is why the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent are known as HRH as opposed to say the Duke of Devonshire.

As a younger son of a Royal Duke he is styled Prince Michael and his wife Princess Michael.

Peaseblossom22 · 17/02/2021 22:26

Incidentally this also means that when Prince Charles becomes King, Archie will automatically become a Prince as the grandson of a monarch. Obviously they don’t have to use the title but he could grow up and decide to.

Prince Louis and Princess Charlotte’s titles were awarded by the a queen because only the eldest great grandson is automatically Prince as the direct heir . This will change as for Archie when Charles becomes King