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Congratulations to Meghan and Harry - baby no.2 on the way!

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bluewanda · 14/02/2021 22:13

Lovely news, congrats to them both!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259925/Meghan-Markle-pregnant-Duchess-confirms-Prince-Harry-expecting-baby.html

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Emeraldshamrock · 19/02/2021 12:14

I'd admire their courage not to "put up and shut up" it took real guts to walk away the alternative was far worse.
I doubt they'll slate the RF regardless of what they say they'll be slated.
I don't know how anyone can think the way they were treated was acceptable.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 19/02/2021 12:16

'Can we actually identify any overt criticism from H&M of any member of the royal family?'

It's all there in Finding Freedom. Which apparently doesn't count because you somehow have no idea what it's about. Sniping about the Queen's loyal staff not dishing out tiaras willy nilly for example. They would of course have publicly slated this or even sued if Scobie wasn't indeed their bff and telling all their stories.

In the African documentary she said (you must've heard of this one) 'not many people have asked if I'm ok', now you may say 'ha no one was named!' But if you were a member of his UK family you would know it implied that they weren't supported. They have short memories and talked of The Cambridges warm welcome in their engagement interview, which then changed to a sulk at a later date because Kate didn't take her shopping. Which Scobie knew all about, so perhaps he is the one with 'ESP' or else how on earth would he know these gossipy titbits..

They keep dropping themselves in it with their blatant double standards.

Anyway. Perhaps they've learnt their lesson regarding dishing the dirt about the RF, it doesn't do anything for their popularity. Lets hope the Oprah chatshow is all about parenting and volunteering without any DM style sad faces.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 12:29

If they want to set themselves up as gurus, they need to walk the talk

Like W&K do you mean? W is vocal on lot of issues including climate change, doesn't stop their private jets

They could be doing genuine good in the world, quietly, for its own sake, not to build a ‘brand’

Do you honestly know anything about the charities they support, their philanthropic plans for the future when covid is over? They're doing a hell of a lot more than W&K.

Bring up their children away from the limelight

When was the last time you saw Archie? I'll help you on that. MM read him a story for charity when he was just coming up 1 for which she and her baby were slated in the most disgusting way. He'll be 2 soon.

GetOff Much as I would love to bite back against your 2nd para, I am not going to. I have a totally different opinion to you but the trolling and insults I got on here and elsewhere in the past is making me hold back because I don't want to go through that again.
Needless to say, there are other opinions different to yours out there.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 19/02/2021 12:30

@Emeraldshamrock

I'd admire their courage not to "put up and shut up" it took real guts to walk away the alternative was far worse. I doubt they'll slate the RF regardless of what they say they'll be slated. I don't know how anyone can think the way they were treated was acceptable.
Do you mean treated by the Press? Or the family? The family seem to have bent over backwards to help and support them. The Press was vile at times. It has also been vile to Camilla, Charles and Kate in the past. They also claimed William had an affair. Everyone has had their turn at being dragged through the mud. No, it’s not right, but it comes with the territory sadly. The massive wealth and privilege they enjoy certainly compensates to some extent. It would have taken more guts to remain, make a go of it, win the love and respect of the public and actually do some genuine good through their charities and patronages. Instead they have turned tail and run away to live in a mansion doing very little of genuine use to anyone apart from themselves.
Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 19/02/2021 12:38

@Samcro

that might be a fact. but a certain poster is pretty much calling posters who say they haven't read it liars. that is what I was posting about. it might be all over sm/msn but I don't do msn and its not been on my fb.
What has not doing msn have to do with anything? MSM means mainstream media.
Samcro · 19/02/2021 12:49

Lol I thought msn was something else, showing my age here.

bluewanda · 19/02/2021 12:55

Meghan and Harry have confirmed to Buckingham Palace that they won’t be returning as working royals apparently. Not exactly surprising - with their new and extremely lucrative new contracts with Spotify and the like they’re totally sorted financially! I can’t wait to see what they say in the Oprah interview, but no doubt it will be 90 minutes of pre-prepared answers and carefully spun PR. They’re not going to start slagging off the RF!

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ilkleymoorbartat · 19/02/2021 13:00

YABU to give a shit.

Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 19/02/2021 13:02

@bluewanda

Meghan and Harry have confirmed to Buckingham Palace that they won’t be returning as working royals apparently. Not exactly surprising - with their new and extremely lucrative new contracts with Spotify and the like they’re totally sorted financially! I can’t wait to see what they say in the Oprah interview, but no doubt it will be 90 minutes of pre-prepared answers and carefully spun PR. They’re not going to start slagging off the RF!
I think they will manage to get a fair few digs in without being overt. They will, almost certainly, repeat many times sentences including the phrases, "we have a voice", "we want our voices to be heard", "we want to help others to have their voices heard", and other such guff that they think is very deep and meaningful but is actually just verbal vomit that doesn't actually equate to anything tangible or world changing.
GetOffYourHighHorse · 19/02/2021 13:20

Palace dignified response ending with 'the Duke and Duchess of Sussex continue to be much loved members of the family'. The Sussex's petulant response 'We will continue to serve. Serving is universal'. 🙄

Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:21

I'm going to link this article, but also put it out below, sums up what I think 100%
Enjoy!

royalsuitor.medium.com/will-the-house-of-windsor-turn-into-a-house-of-cards-d344db7076d9

What happens to British society when the class structure that underpins it is challenged?

Imagine a society founded on a class structure with the (white) British royal family at the top as determined by birth and by blood. A biracial woman enters the top of the pyramid by marriage, negating both the birth and blood requirements society had previously been told were preconditions. Because she lacks those prerequisites, she’s considered unworthy. Because she’s proud of her own heritage and regards herself as equal to others at the top of the pyramid, she’s considered ungrateful.

The town criers called out from the lower tiers of the pyramid. “I’ve never met her — but I look at her and I think ‘I don’t think I’d like you in real life,’” said one. “We Brits prefer true royalty to fashion royalty,” proclaimed another. Shouts of “she just doesn’t speak our language,” came whistling on the wind. But at the top of the pyramid, the cries were met with silence. Were they too far away to hear it? Were they too disconcerted to know what to reply? Or did they use the cacophony from below to muffle the echo of their own whispers as they murmured the same things? The loudest gossipmonger was impossible to ignore as he oafishly admonished her to “go back to America.”

After years of being told that she was unworthy and ungrateful, the newlywed took the crier’s advice and returned from whence she came. Despite one tattler’s audacious cautions not to force her husband to “choose between you and us.” He did in fact choose his wife, just as he did the day he married her, much to their chagrin. Ironically, though society spurned her placement at the top of the pyramid, when she leaves with her husband, for some, it calls into question whether the pyramid’s peak is still something to aspire to? Whether those at the top are truly elite? Whether blood and birth really are prerequisites? Their departure is considered a rejection of the pyramid as a construct, thus a rejection of the society itself. For others, it was a necessary repudiation and confirmed that just as they suspected she was NOCD — not our class dear.

Still, that wasn’t enough. For society to maintain order, she must be reclassified and her elite status conferred by marriage removed. But, the society is trapped in a conundrum. Her husband and their children are at the top of the pyramid by birth and by blood. Removing titles, military honors, and patronages won’t remove her from the top of the pyramid. The only thing that will reclassify her is to remove her from her husband…and the society has been working diligently, though unsuccessfully, to that end since the day they learned that Harry and Meghan were a couple.

PresentingPercy · 19/02/2021 13:32

Harry has now lost all his military posts so he’s pretty detached now. He’s really just the side kick now. I don’t believe for one minute this is what he really wanted. The Queen has removed everything from him. So we know what she thinks about duty.

PresentingPercy · 19/02/2021 13:35

@GoLightlyontheEarth
Your post sums it up perfectly. It’s the me me me attitude.

TheKeatingFive · 19/02/2021 13:38

That’s a great post Rousette

Really gets to the heart of it.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:40

Keating

Totally agree. I read it a couple of times, it hit home to me.

Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 19/02/2021 13:41

How the hell was she ever anywhere near the 'top of the royal pyramid'?! And her children are at the top too? Harry is sixth in line to the throne. Wasn't Eugenie sixth in line to the throne before William had kids? Would you say she and her husband were ever anywhere near the top of the royal pyramid? They weren't, just like Harry and Meghan aren't, which annoys them because they think they are more important and relevant than they actually are. If they were given more adoration and a higher status they wouldn't have chosen to leave. They think people want to listen to their dull, hypocritical nonsense but they don't. They thought they had more sway in the 'firm' than they actually did or would ever have had and they didn't like it. They may be genuine royalty but they want celebrity royal status and to opt of out the shit bits that being paid handsomely for being a working royal requires.

GCAcademic · 19/02/2021 13:43

Wow, that statement really makes them sound like a pair of petulant brats. Also: what service are they alluding to that they have done in the U.K. in the last year? They’ve done bugger all!

Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:45

Oh dear... that article has obviously hit a nerve...

GetOffYourHighHorse · 19/02/2021 13:45

That's a lovely story Rousette and it certainly plays into the victim narrative they have whipped up.

The facts however are she was welcomed, many of us watched the wedding, happy for Harry. The tide turned when their petulant attitudes annoyed people. They didn't want to be second best to other royals, they wanted to call the shots all widely reported by sources as reputable as Scobie's. They wanted adulation without any scrutiny and they may fall for that in the US but Brits tend to see straight through it.

I hope they live happily after doing volunteer work and shining lights/playing saviour to their fave grass roots hobbies, but they left, no one pushed. They wanted the golden ticket of being royal without having to cut boring ribbons at health centres. They want the Oprah show, not the hard work that comes with being a royal.

Having said that I'm not a big royal fan but we have it and there are certain things that come with the privilege.

Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:47

A 'story' to you no doubt! But I appreciate you reading it. I actually do mean that GetOff!

Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 19/02/2021 13:52

@Roussette

Oh dear... that article has obviously hit a nerve...
Well, yes, because it's not true!
Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:53

To you maybe!

To many others, spot on.

Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 19/02/2021 13:56

@Roussette

To you maybe!

To many others, spot on.

As in, it's not actually true, not just a matter of opinion. They are not at the top of the royal pyramid
Roussette · 19/02/2021 13:59

Click on the link.
There's a picture of a pyramid with many in it. I think 'top of the pyramid' is figuratively speaking.

That turn of phrase is about 1% of the article!

TheKeatingFive · 19/02/2021 14:01

That turn of phrase is about 1% of the article!

Yet she’s like a dog with a bone Grin