What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

Our poor daughters. This is the legacy we are leaving them - the removal of success in sport, especially for elite women.
It's worth noting that the sporting organisations handing over women's sports to mediocre men are mainly run by men. Fair Play for Women have been campaigning about this and have some excellent information/ resources:
fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/sports-campaign/

So in essence if a man wants to win at this sport but isn't essentially stronger than the other men. He can call himself a lady and beat women?

Or some men

@Helenia

There's no certainty that the transgender athlete has an advantage.

If said male has gone through a male puberty then he will, for the vast majority of cases, have a physical advantage when competing against women. This is why sport is sex segregated. Because otherwise women would not be able to compete fairly or safely.

Exactly. So each transgender athlete should be assessed individually against a specific set of criteria to minimise the chance that a non-transgender competitor is disadvantaged by the transgender individual - and that their inclusion does not significantly increase the risk of severe injury. If it does, I don't believe that athlete should be entitled compete. Transitioning doesn't erase these certain scientific facts unfortunately so there will always be a gap and Trans rights do need to be balanced with fairness and safety.

@AbsitivelyPosolutely

Bit late now considering she retired from MMA years ago.

She was also TKO'd by a female (from birth) opponent.

Fighters are matched by category and weight. No one was force to fight her - they took on the challenge. And were paid to do so.

Also, MMA and boxing are not the same thing.

All of this. I’ve boxed and done MMA/cage fighting and they are definitely not the same thing. I wouldn’t have fought her but if I was a similar weight/experience etc I would have had a bash 😁

So in essence if a man wants to win at this sport but isn't essentially stronger than the other men. He can call himself a lady and beat women

Yep. Added bonus in some cases where they get to win and take women's sports scholarships for college.

@zoemum2006

This sounds like bull. Fights have referees. No one should have their heads bashed in (man or woman).

You also need to be in an appropriate weight class.

This sounds like anti-trans propaganda TBH.

Anti trans propaganda? Ok, your misogyny is really quite strong

It is not only strength and absolute speed, men also have faster reaction times, which can be crucial in many sports, and actually could be vital in high-contact sports.

I didn't think FF had fought a fight in years because no-one will fight them? Wikipedia says they are a retired MMA fighter. Are they threatening to enter the ring again?

Fights do have referees yes but in MMA a skull can be smashed in an instant I’m afraid.

There's more to boxing than being in the right weight category. It's to do with strength. Men are stronger than women and have no right to be in the ring with them.

Agree with PP, women should boycott until this moronic situation is resolved, reversed and ratified for the bullshit it is.

Not saying it isn't an important issue but this is six years ago - it's the news equivalent of a zombie thread. For that YABU

@VasterThanEmpires I choose not to expend my intellectual effort on it.

Back to the point, I agree with a previous poster about maybe there being different classifications to weight class, perhaps measuring specifically the areas in which biological men and women vary to find appropriate matches?

Brilliant idea!

How would we go about this though? ... Hey, I know, what if we had separate categories for male and female competitors?

On the other side of the ring, you do have Anne Veriato who will only fight against men.

You also have transman Mack Beggs who would like to wrestle men but is being forced to wrestle women because of state rules requiring athletes to compete under their sex.

Absolutely disgusting particularly what Fallon said on the twitter account. They are inciting hatred and violence publicly and should be reported to the police.

YANBU

But pretty much every sport in the UK now has policies that support the inclusion of men/boys into women/girls sport purely in the basis of self-id.
There is nothing to stop boys joining my DD’s u14 football team and sharing their changing rooms. Al they have to say is “I am a woman”.

The FA endorse this, British Cycling, British Gymnastics, Swim UK, England Rugby etc etc

They’ve all been trained by trans rights organisations like Stonewall into believing its illegal to stop males participating in women sports. It’s it. The Equality Act supports sport to be single sex but they’re all terrified and cowardly, and as a result women and girls sport is thrown to the wolves.

If you’re daughter play any organises sport, you would be well placed to familiarise yourself with their policies.

TBH this is from some time ago. The video of this fight available on YouTube is gut wrenching, as is the tweet FF made about fracturing the scull of their opponent who didnt know FF was trans at the time.

But let’s not be transphobic here. Transwomen are absolutely no danger to females in sport 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Userguaranteed

Never understood MMA "sport" and hitting the shit out of people ir getting the shit knocked out of you for fun, no matter the sex.

But isn't this chosen based on weight (heavyweight, lightweight, etc)? At the end of the day someone will be stronger than their opponent.

Doesn't mean I think biological men in biological women's sports is okay.

But a 13 stone male is going to be stronger/have more muscle mass than a 13 stone female

YANBU OP it’s terrible. Male bodied people should not be completing in sports categories with females.

transwomen competing in womens sport is as relevant today as it was with fallon fox. eg today on twitter i saw loads of men (and some women) happily admitting they dont care about womens sports.

this really is it: I’d rather teach my kid how to lose well than how to win through oppression.

this guy wants his (theoretical) daughter to give up her space to boys- and he seems to think saying no to men is oppressing them.

@Shrivelled

I used to box and if a trans woman was in the same weight category as me I wouldn’t necessarily think it would be a problem. There’s a lot of skill to boxing and pure strength isn’t everything. This however, is MMA and it’s disgusting. The “sport” should be banned. This is not a good example of why trans women and women shouldn’t compete, it’s so awful it just derails the whole debate.

Really? Have you ever been punched by a man? Properly punched - not just sparring when he is holding back?

I used to be a kickboxer and that there is absolutely no way that a woman and a male-bodied person (however that person identifies) can fight fairly, especially when punching. We're more evenly matched with kicks but, even then, men of a similar weight are noticeably stronger. I agree that strength isn't everything, but the best technique in the world cannot compensate for a big strength differential - which is why we have weight categories in boxing in the first place.

Men are also faster, with greater reserves - their hearts and lungs are 25% larger than a woman's. A woman kickboxer can take out a man with a lucky kick, but she has got to be very lucky. A man is going to win 95% of the time.

I haven't seen this before, I'm incensed.

I have no words.

I can't get my head around how a man, who identifies now as a woman, has the audacity to overlook the fact they went through male puberty and have all the physical advantages that go with it.

It's not sporting at the very least. At the worst, these men who become women, clearly hate the very thing they claim they strive to be.

This entitled attitude that women are second best, we should accept their demands without hesitation, are purely misogynistic. They literally still think like men.

Argh.

@MyFavouriteIsWhoeverlsQuietest

You also have transman Mack Beggs who would like to wrestle men but is being forced to wrestle women because of state rules requiring athletes to compete under their sex.

Quite right. It is unfair to the male competitors: they are either going to have to hold back, or risk causing a permanent injury. Why should they be put in that position, just to validate Mack's feelings?

This is MMA not boxing, not the same thing at all. I just read that her opponent didn’t know Fallon was transgender?? That’s not fair at all.