What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

Sickening.
Clearly a biological male will have a physical advantage over a biological female. They should never be opponents.

Awful. Just awful. This won’t stop until some poor woman is killed and what frightens me more, is that even then it won’t stop.

It's absolutely disgraceful. I wish female athletes would refuse to participate against males. Sadly the misogynistic, aggressive trans activist vocal minority make life very difficult for anyone who dares express a common sense view.

My God, that is horrific.

Women need to start kicking back against this. And it scares me that more of us aren't, tbh.

A clip of the fight has been circulating on Twitter for the last few days. It's horrific seeing male bodied Fox straddling an actual woman on the ground and repeatedly punching her in the head.

This isn't progress, and it's not fucking brave either. It's downright sadistic.

Tamikka Brents, Fox's victim, suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture and needed 7 staples in her head. This happened in the first round, less than 2 and a half minutes into the fight.

After the fight, Brents said: " I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but COULDN'T MOVE AT ALL in Fox's clinch..."

"Women need to start kicking back against this"

I agree with what you say totally, but you try and object and you'll get a 'transphobic' accusation levelled at you.

Boxing is a horrible violent aggressive sport. Don't take part in it if you don't want to be injured.

I've ironically just been banned from a FB group that was moaning trans athletes have been banned from sports competition based on gender ID in a part of America, for saying that we have to consider the fairness to biological girls and women. That's what 'kicking back' or even mentioning that sex-based fairness should exist gets you.

Boxing is a horrible violent aggressive sport. Don't take part in it if you don't want to be injured

Don't take part if you are a woman and don't mind being beaten to a pulp by a male.

Fixed that for you.

@Viviennemary, its not boxing and there is a risk with every single sport. Pitting male bodied people against female is a whole other level of unfair and unsafe.

This happened in 2014... and Fallon Fox hasn’t fought since then. While I don’t agree with transgendered mixed sport, why is this being brought up now? I’m sure there are other current and more relevant sports persons that need addressing.

This isn’t boxing it’s Mixed Martial Arts! Completely different rules, wouldn’t be straddling her in boxing. MMA is typically more brutal than boxing.

Sorry for the derail. Back to the point, I agree with a previous poster about maybe there being different classifications to weight class, perhaps measuring specifically the areas in which biological men and women vary to find appropriate matches?

@zoemum2006

This sounds like bull. Fights have referees. No one should have their heads bashed in (man or woman).

You also need to be in an appropriate weight class.

This sounds like anti-trans propaganda TBH.

They do indeed have referees, that doesn't prevent the fact that one punch or kick from a biological male is going to do far more damage than one from a biological woman.

The referee is definitely present during the , as the referee has to stop the fight after Fallon punches Tamikka to the floor.

It was reported that Tamikka received seven staples to her head, and also suffered a concussion. She was overpowered by Fox to an extent that even the orbital bone inside her skull was fractured.

It’s a free country. If women want to fight her that’s up to them.

It should be simple - it should be based on biological sex end of.

men are now competing against women in womens football, running, cricket, rugby, weight lifting.

its a travesty for womens sports. - but misogynists are delighted.

I don't want to be beaten to a pulp by anybody thanks. Ok it's not right if the women didn't know.

Just as boxing and disability sports have boundaried categories to allow fair competition, every one of us with an education knows that the same is required for females and males. The bizarre insistence by some trans activists (who are not necessarily trans) that sex is irrelevant /changeable /a construct, has led to some people scrabbling for reasons to accept what their eyes can tell them is extremely unfair and dangerous.

It does not have to be like this! Sex is actually really important to most trans people too! I would propose that sports become more inclusive by taking the "gender" out of the performance. By this I mean: make sure transmen feel accepted when competing against other females by ensuring that regulation outfits are designed around practicality and the body's needs; not sexiness. Make sure transwomen feel accepted when competing against other males by education to prevent bullying. Perhaps it would help to make sure categories were called "female" and "male" so as to emphasise that it is about bodies, not identities?

With regards to body modification and hormones, the rules need to be the same across the board. Elite competition comes with enormous personal and family sacrifice. That is nothing new.

@Doingitaloneandproud

That's disgusting. I'm sorry if trans people would like to compete then fine, but have a category separate for them. It's an unfair competition and they are well aware of this.

Problem is with having their own trans section trans women will be competing against trans women ...I think you'd find there would be very few takers.

why what difference does it make if she knew or not?

twaw so that means they play women's sports. if you say no youre a bigot.

@OwlBeThere

It’s a free country. If women want to fight her that’s up to them.

@OwlBeThere why would they want to?? They are left with very little choice - fight and risk getting pulverised by a female-presenting male-born person or refuse and be labelled a bigot whilst also losing out in your job?

I agree with a previous poster about maybe there being different classifications to weight class, perhaps measuring specifically the areas in which biological men and women vary to find appropriate matches

Even matched for weight/height etc, men are considerably stronger and faster than women. There muscle fibre configuration is different with more bulk and more fast-twitch fibres which give them greater power and speed. Their lung capacity is proportionately larger, allowing more oxygen to the muscles , they have denser, stronger bones and their centre of gravity is lower - in contact sports this gives greater stability.

These advantages remain even after testosterone is lowered. And male testosterone levels are still allowed to be higher than even the highest female ones.

Firstly, the injury picture is not unusual for MMA - for women or men. It's an extremely brutal sport (far far more than boxing) with an enormous amount of money involved - and all press is press. The women MMA fighters are extremely tough, strong and capable and it's doing a disservice to them to say they don't stand a chance against Fallon. This is fundamentally not a matter of a man beating up a woman.

This is not a simple issue. The timing of the transition seems to count a lot - Fallon had been a fully developed male for some time so the usual effect of the HRT would not deplete strength/bone density to the same extent as if transition happened as a younger person. There's no certainty that the transgender athlete has an advantage. Sports medics are very much assessing this in order to regulate it better and I imagine it will end up needing individual assessments of key criteria. In the same way you have weight categories for boxing, you may be able to have assessments that determine the advantage or not of a transgender athlete.
Let's not fall back on the old political correctness/woke vs intolerance/transphobic blunt thinking - and look more at the science.

@Helmetbymidnight

why what difference does it make if she knew or not?

twaw so that means they play women's sports. if you say no youre a bigot.

Trans women are NOT women.

Transwomen are MEN.

No-one stops TWs from competing at the highest levels of sport. They can compete in their own SEX class, rather than gender identity. Where they do, they tend to be, at best, mediocre athletes - which is why they want to compete against women in women's sports.

It's cheating and they know it - and so does everyone else.