What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

They were @ShotgunShack Even comedians weighed in on it.

The initial issues was that there were 2 certificating boards, a loophole between them, which was taken full advantage of!

I couldn't say if it has been closed though. They are private enterprises.

I think you're stepping into territory with dangerous implications when your argument is that most women can't compete with most men, so just concede when physicality is involved.

Thanks for posting this. This is what we are saying. It is clear you have not read any of the research or the stats or even the website listing the schoolboys ages that beat the females records.

Or do you dispute these facts and statistics. Please tell us how women can compete fairly with males who have the biological advantages that puberty brings that is hardly negated at all by cross sex hormones and in fact in some cases can be reversed with training?

You could research how Serena Williams would go against a male opponent ranked in the top 100 - she herself admits she would probably have no chance of beating any male player ranked in top 100. Does that make her lazy? Unambitious?

We might have fun? My husband has to parent single-handedly when I'm away at a weekend sparring competition?

The pictures being posted are not of people of equal height/weight though, are they?

So are you arguing that a man and women of equal height and weight have an equal chance of winning, if pitted against each other in a sporting event?

That last post from me is about the dangers of women's only sport. Sorry, thread moves faster than I realised.

The pictures being posted are not of people of equal height/weight though, are they?

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so the weakness in your arguments are pointed out to you @Smallgoon and instead you switch to 'but the pictures', rather than engaging with the facts.

I know it doesn't fit with the Marvel universe world view that shows Black Widow beating the shit out of men, but thems the breaks kid. As a class, men are much stronger than women as a class.

The pictures being posted are not of people of equal height/weight though, are they?

The pictures being posted are males competing currently or in the past with females. In life, some sports are matched by sex and weight. Many ARE NOT. The sports where these males are playing show in one picture just how much their physical build conveys the biological advantages they have.

But again, please keep posting because we are interested in new perspectives that we have not seen before that may actually have merit.

In weightlifting, a 52Kg man can lift more than a 67.5Kg woman.
3 months after competing as an average male, Kate Weatherley won the New Zealand Women's MTB Downhill Championship and repeated that feat the following year.

So you're annoyed that people are posting photos of TW who are massive compared to their team-mates when actually some sportsmen are small.

?!?!

More than 12,000 men have run faster than the Women's marathon record.

@CuriousaboutSamphire
*Once again YES YOU COULD.

But what would you be trying to prove?*
I don't know.
That's a really good question for the people posting pictures large transwomen.

It's not just strength, bone density and all that.

Women have breasts with the sizes not of their choosing. Some are less cooperative to sports than others e.g. Simona Halep who had breast reduction.

Those born male don't get periods. Can these affect training? Of course and studies back that up.

Children. Those born male can procreate without any effect on their sporting career. Women have to factor this in. Do you risk your unborn child to continue competing? Do you take a year or whatever out and then try and regain that peak?

Even if you want to, studies also show that women athletes especially those at the top level's lifestyles are likely to decrease their chances especially in sports where heavy dieting is likely (MMA and other combat sports tend to require weight cutting for example)

Hardly a level playing field.

Also, how would you deal with someone born male , identifies as female, wins the fame, the fortune and everything that goes with it, retires and then reverts to the gender of their birth sex?

God, the Williams sisters, amongst the greatest tennis players ever, said they could beat any male "outside the top 200" but then lost to the male player ranked 203.

Live how you want to, but some things need to be demarcated on sex grounds, not gender.

I'm happy to post pictures of small TW.

The male-body advantage in SPEED and STRENGTH remains.
How do you not understand this?

DedlyMedally

Do you know anything about sports, anatomy or physiology?

Dedly, can you try to explain what you meant - what are the dangerous implications for women-only sports?

That's a really good question for the people posting pictures large transwomen. Oh dear!

Why not engage with the second part of that post?

Here. These aren't pictures of people. That better?

These are pictures comparing weightlifting standards for the barbell bicep standards. I have chosen the bicep curl, because it's one of the more famous lifts.

Compare how much an elite female lifter weighing 70kg can lift, versus her male counterpart. She lifts 78% of her bodyweight, and he lifts 114%.

@andyoldlabour

PotholeParadies

"The cricketer who, according to a cricket fan elsewhere on MN, uses a men's bat in the women's game."

Blythin was playing men's cricket at club level. A woman can use a heavy bat if they wanted, but I deon't think many would. The ball in women's cricket is smaller and lighter than that used in the men's gane. The boundaries are shorter in women's cricket. The fastest woman bowler bowls at around 75MPH, whilst the quickest men bowl around 95MPH.
Blythin was made Kent women's cricketer of the year in 2019.

I don’t think I had peaked then and probably didn’t take much notice back in 2019. I feel sorry for all those female cricketers. It must be so hard for a girl to play cricket at a professional/high level as generally we don’t play it at school so have already been discriminated against. This does need to change as we really are kidding ourselves when we say it is ok.

You also have transman Mack Beggs who would like to wrestle men but is being forced to wrestle women because of state rules requiring athletes to compete under their sex.

Yes, and while Mack is allowed to take performance enhancing substances that the other women cannot, that is clearly wrong too.

That's a really good question for the people posting pictures large transwomen.

Do you understand these are the people competing in elite women’s sports? They haven’t been picked due to their ‘height’.

In fact, please post a pic of a small transwoman competing at elite level. Or is the message getting through?

@PotholeParadies say if you had someone like Fallon Fox in your next sparring competition where do you as woman competing in woman’s sport stand? Ie are you even in a position to voice your opinions? Without repercussions?

It will take the death of a female athlete, to make the world sit up and question what's going on here. There will be a fatal blow in boxing, or a fatal tackle in Rugby. It WILL happen.

The first thing I would think would be social ramifications. If you officially enter something and then withdraw on the day because you see your opponent, everyone would know why. It'll be Ms Y is transphobic all round the club and all over social media. And you'd know that everyone else in a leadership position had allowed the entry, and wasn't on your side.

I can't imagine the pressure you'd be under not to withdraw at an officially-booked event.

the people who believe this bobbins just love that mimsy word 'gender'

sex sex sex sex sex sex

gender means fuck all, it's just pretend

sex matters

This. It's really that simple.