What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

Sorted 😁 thanks @SunsetBeetch

@SchadenfreudePersonified

Quite right. It is unfair to the male competitors: they are either going to have to hold back, or risk causing a permanent injury. Why should they be put in that position, just to validate Mack's feelings?

I hope this is a joke, MissLucy.

It's hard to tell sometimes.

No, why do you think I'm joking? It's a much, much less important issue than women's safety, but it's still a valid concern. Why should a man be forced to fight someone who is female-bodied, just to validate that person's belief about gender identity? I certainly would not want to fight someone I knew to be much weaker than me. I would feel dreadful if I injured them - totally different scenario from an equally matched fight.

mtonews.com/.amp/female-ufc-fighter-has-skull-cracked-by-brutal-leg-kick-video

It’s a brutal sport, this was inflicted by a female born opponent. I’m thinking it’s dangerous enough without introducing male born opponents in to it.

Miss lucey because they say they are women. They are not validating anything. They argue that trans women are women.

@SchadenfreudePersonified

Quite right. It is unfair to the male competitors: they are either going to have to hold back, or risk causing a permanent injury. Why should they be put in that position, just to validate Mack's feelings?

I hope this is a joke, MissLucy.

It's hard to tell sometimes.

MissLucy is right.

A female competitor in the men's category is putting them and the ref in a morally and legally dubious position.

I do martial arts, and I am keenly aware that in training, stronger, fitter participants have a responsibility to hold back against weaker, slighter members of the club, to avoid causing potential serious injury. In practice, this means men can never hit me with anything near their full strength, and that I need to be careful with pre-adolescent girls when practising self-defence drills. That's fine. It's what you're supposed to do.

It would be utterly irresponsible for me to enter in a competition, especially one with money at stake, and expect my opponents to stay calm and hold back the whole way through, and idiotic of any referee to let me.

I think a lot of people on the thread don’t see these things as sports and are shocked by the violence before we’ve even covered the transgender issue.

Probably true but - as you will know - the vast majority of martial arts fights at an amateur level are evenly matched sparring and a lot less dangerous than rugby or riding. I'm a total coward who would run from any real violence

@florasfauna

I hope all those that have jumped on the 'men's rights to be women' bandwagon are proud of themselves. Women fought for decades to just be treated equally and fairly and now men are taking away our right to be even be women. Or even be safe.

Quite right.

I was heavier than my ex boyfriend. He was, completely unsurprisingly, significantly stronger than me.
Weight is not an equaliser.

@Coffeeandcocopops

Miss lucey because they say they are women. They are not validating anything. They argue that trans women are women.

No - the OP is about a trans woman (born male, identifies as female), but Mack is a transman (born female, identifies as male).

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

I think a lot of people on the thread don’t see these things as sports and are shocked by the violence before we’ve even covered the transgender issue.

Probably true but - as you will know - the vast majority of martial arts fights at an amateur level are evenly matched sparring and a lot less dangerous than rugby or riding. I'm a total coward who would run from any real violence

I’ve done a bit on the unlicensed side and that’s a free for all (never again 😂) lots of mismatches there but yes the amateur stuff is a lot safer with head guards for boxing and no ground and pound or elbows allowed in the MMA.

What we do from here on in is withdraw from these events, withdraw our daughters, withdraw ourselves, our support, our money. Choke the life from any sport that permits transgender competitors on safety grounds by refusing to support it

TBH I don't really see that as a sport, but why don't the women refuse to fight a man? No shame in refusing such an unfair match.

“A female competitor in the men's category is putting them and the ref in a morally and legally dubious position.”

This isn’t the case here. This is a trans women (sex is man) competing in the female category because TWAW.

Set up breakaway movements and immediately implement a health and safety audit to prevent this from happening any more

And yes @MissLucyEyelesbarrow I’ve had worse injuries playing rugby than I have in amateur martial arts. I can’t wait for BJJ to be reopened and get wrestling again ☺️

Whilst I'm not comfortable with trans women competing in female sports as even though they lose some of the advantages of being male they still have bigger hearts, lung capacity, bone structure and muscle mass than the average female in that particular sport.

What I resent is this incident being dug up from the history books to bash trans rights activists with.

MMA is notoriously dangerous and there have been a number of fractured skulls in the sport every between two females at let's look at the bigger picture here and deal with what's really at steak - people sacrificing their health and even their lives for bloody entertainment.

talksport.com/sport/mma/679321/ufc-karolina-kowalkiewicz-mma-broken-eye-socket-titanium-plate-surgery/

@TildaKauskumholm

TBH I don't really see that as a sport, but why don't the women refuse to fight a man? No shame in refusing such an unfair match.

Because they would be called transphobic and a terf. Sponsorship would stop. Just like the shit JKRawling has received.

Look at women’s cycling - trans women are winning medals in female racing. Look at Zuby who for a laugh identified as a woman for the day and now holds the record for women weight lifting. Rugby next.

@Coffeeandcocopops

“A female competitor in the men's category is putting them and the ref in a morally and legally dubious position.”

This isn’t the case here. This is a trans women (sex is man) competing in the female category because TWAW.

Sigh. Look back at @MyFavouriteIsWhoeverlsQuietest's post at 1946. She is talking about Mack Beggs, who is a transman.

Yes, the OP is about a trans woman but, I was responding to a post about a transman. Which should be fairly obvious because I quoted the post in question.

Maybe get your facts straight before scolding me?

@TildaKauskumholm

It's been explained many times. Firstly, the women are not aware who they're fighting until they're up against them in the ring. Secondly, even if a woman is aware her opponent is biologically male, who do you think would suffer the bigger fallout from refusing to fight? In a culture where suggesting in any way what-so-ever that a transwomen isn't actually in some way a woman gets you 'cancelled'?

@TildaKauskumholm

TBH I don't really see that as a sport, but why don't the women refuse to fight a man? No shame in refusing such an unfair match.

Fallon Fox wasn't publicly acknowledged as trans until Fox had fought three women (one amateur bout, two professional bouts). I'm sure there were rumours (people have eyes) but it must have put the women in a very difficult position.

If they'd said "look, I know you've promoted this fight and sold all the tickets, but I'm not doing it because I think they look like they're trans", they'd never have been booked again.

No, why do you think I'm joking? It's a much, much less important issue than women's safety, but it's still a valid concern. Why should a man be forced to fight someone who is female-bodied, just to validate that person's belief about gender identity? I certainly would not want to fight someone I knew to be much weaker than me. I would feel dreadful if I injured them - totally different scenario from an equally matched fight

But it's acceptable for women to be forced to be at risk to validate men's gender identities?

YOU might feel dreadful if you injured someone weaker than yourself. Many TW don't.

what a horrible individual- enjoyed it?

What we do from here on in is withdraw from these events, withdraw our daughters, withdraw ourselves, our support, our money.

The trouble is, if we do this then women and our daughters miss out on sports they love.
The governing bodies are at fault. None of them have consulted women when they made these policies. None at all.

The fight I linked to isn't the competitor shown in the OP, as they didn't specify who the female competitor was, the video I linked to was the one with Tamikka Brents who was unaware that Fallon wasn't a biological woman and ended up with a fractured skull.

Then there's

And Fallon defeating .

if you believe transwomen are women then you cant say 'except for sports purposes' - (that is transphobic) and you should have no issue with male bodies in womens sports.

if you do have an issue with this, then you are, whats known as a 'terf'- (you'll mostly have heard this word with threats of violence.)

the cognitive dissonance of those here suggesting 'oh i dont think this should happen but im very 'pro-trans' rights' is marvellous to behold.

what trans rights did you think you were fighting for?