To think there is something wrong - 11 kids at 23 and wants surrogates to grow the rest

[OhHolyJesus]

I don't really have the words for this so will just link to this story:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/young-mum-23-already-11-23488380

Is it even true?

They are selfish, the world struggles to sustain the amount of people it already has.

not going to click a link - what's the story?

@Brefugee

not going to click a link - what's the story?

Were you also too lazy to read the thread, or even the title of the thread?

She’s living my literal nightmares. After my twins were born and once they finally came home from NICU I was so incredibly overwhelmed. I would have dreams at night where there were my two babies in one room but every room I went into there were two more. It was terrifying.

I don’t care how many staff she has - those babies are not getting what they need. And the surrogacy is beyond disturbing.

What happens if he is made to go to prison, goes bankrupt etc - what will happen to all of them? It’s really scary.

Brefugee
Millionaire man in his 50s has adult children
Man marries woman young enough to be his daughter
They have 11 children, but she's only given birth to one herself. The rest were brought into the world by renting a womb from a vulnerable woman.
She hasn't ruled out growing her own children but thinks it might be a bit much on her body.
He talks about his wife in a creepy way like an uncut diamond, someone who is pretty and smiles nice but is suitably shy. Aka he wants a hot young woman on his arm who will do as she's told

One of my past neighbours was one of twenty and she had an awful childhood due to poverty which clearly isn't going to be a problem here but it just makes me shake my head in disbelief.

My SIL was one of ten and she couldn't wait to leave home - just to get some peace and quiet. You have to know when to stop.

£7000 for each baby - she gave birth to her first and was a single mum when she met the much older richer man.... ummm.... she is lacking thinking about so many babies and he appears to give her want she wants if she looks after him.... what could possible go wrong.

Sad isn't it and why regulations are needed for the future of innocent children who are merely meeting some unmet need of her and his

@Campervan69

Surrogacy should be illegal. So wrong to deliberately create children then instantly remove them from their mother.

The women giving birth aren't really the mothers though are they. They are merely renting their wombs. The egg and sperm provided by the couple..... that way she gets to keep her body small and the rest ok for him...

He sounds a right piece of awful reading the other stories -drgus on the run etc.... when they catch up with him and his money disappears what will happen to the children? Orphanage?

Is this really any worse than a young teen wanting babies to secure Social Security or a council house? At least they can afford it.

I just hope that they have financially secured the children's future.

Had a peek at her Instagram. No photos of her husband, lots of very posed ones of her with or without the accessories babies. She looks very young, I do wonder about the husband and whether he likes the 'young girl playing with dolls' look (not envy).
Long post (screenshot the translation) on Instagram under a photo of her in a hospital bed, detailing the egg collection and the strain it puts on her. No mention of the bodies of the women who's wombs they are renting...
Just appalling that this is allowed to happen. I'm anti surrogacy anyway, but this isn't even a childless couple desperate for a child. The surrogates must be financially desperate to provide a child in these circumstances, they don't even get the benefit of knowing they are giving away a precious and much wanted baby, just adding to a collection.

@Jaxhog

Is this really any worse than a young teen wanting babies to secure Social Security or a council house? At least they can afford it.

I just hope that they have financially secured the children's future.

Really? You think it's comparable to a young teen wanting a council house?!

You know, it's not as simple as that, a womb is not a womb in the same way a basket is any basket. The genetic material is just the source material but the mother's womb nudges the expression of genes. The intersection of the foetus and its environment, the food, the emotions, the sound of mothers voice, her heartbeat- it all shapes their world well outside of the womb.

How long before the couple come to the realisation they'll expand their family even quicker by impregnating the 'host' with multiple embryos at one time? A woman so desperate for cash that she will rent out her body for £7k will likely be persuaded to rent it out for £14k for carrying twins, or £21k, or £28k....
How long before they increase the risks they place on these desperate women?

From the article “ One surrogate had trouble giving up the baby but legally had no rights and had to hand it over.”

This shows the issue with the whole thing. Poor women will be desperate for money and used as a part of a child making factory

@Jaxhog

Is this really any worse than a young teen wanting babies to secure Social Security or a council house? At least they can afford it.

I just hope that they have financially secured the children's future.

I don't think someone who is on the run after being convicted for murder and involvement in organised crime can really be compared to a (probably mythical) teenager who makes foolish decisions.

Who bets that the poor 5yo (her child and not his) is already being expected to be another little mum to all these babies.

The women giving birth aren't really the mothers though are they. They are merely renting their wombs. The egg and sperm provided by the couple..... that way she gets to keep her body small and the rest ok for him...

Yes they are. In this country the mother carrying the baby is the legal mother I think, not the person the DNA came from.

The mother baby bond at birth is based on time together, not DNA. The baby's whole existence to that point will be inside its mother's womb. S/he will know their mother's voice, heartbeat, smell.

Please don't let the fact there's a financial transaction here make you think about babies and women as objects to be owned or rented out. Both the baby and the mother are human beings and this should matter.

The biological mother and father should not be afforded more power here because they paid. This is hugely immoral IMO.

That's awful. It's a factory.

The women giving birth aren't really the mothers though are they. They are merely renting their wombs. The egg and sperm provided by the couple..... that way she gets to keep her body small and the rest ok for him...

@SpringtimeBluebells

Yes they are the mother. Legally, ethically and biologically. You can't just rent your womb and have a baby grow by itself. The baby grows entirely from the pregnant woman's tissue. The genetic material may not be hers but the baby is.

One surrogate had trouble giving up the baby but legally had no rights and had to hand it over.

No rights over a child you have spent the last nine months growing inside your body and given birth to? I feel so sorry for the mother in all of this, imagine going through all that so this idiot couple can play dolls every so often before handing the baby over to the nannies.

I saw the story earlier and thought it was awful. Literally like a battery farm. Those poor children.

Every child who is taken from their mother at birth suffers trauma as the mother-baby bond is broken. In adoption, this is accepted as necessary in a difficult situation.

We should not be engineering this situation.

It's a sign of how deeply ingrained consumerist thinking is, in society, than when we talk about a scenario where babies are being taken from their mothers and sold, hardly anyone even mentioned the mother-baby bond and most people are unquestioning about the role of money to give the biological parents "ownership" of the babies.

Horrendous

Those poor babies