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Original poster

To ask if you would put child forward for the vaccine trial?

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:30

So the Oxford vaccine is now to be tested in children as young as six. Would you put your child up for for children?

Everyone calling others stupid for not wanting it can now volunteer their kids! Because, you know... you're so confident that it's perfectly safe and the right thing to do.

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Cornettoninja · 13/02/2021 10:51

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@Cornettoninja I was just curious. Guinea pigs is a turn of phrase and exactly what trial participants are. I am categorically not an anti vaxxer.[/quote]
Nope. They’re trial participants.

Using language to reduce another persons status to an animal is derisive and offensive, if that wasn’t your intention then by rights you should be embarrassed and correct yourself not defend and try to justify it. If that is your intention at least own it instead of expressing faux shock it’s offensive.

unmarkedbythat · 13/02/2021 10:51

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@StrangerHereMyself I'm not 'throwing around rumours' and I haven't said there IS a fertility risk, I've said they don't know and have no evidence either way and I want more evidence to say it doesn't before I have the vaccine.[/quote]
Theres nothing to say it won't make you spontaneously grow a third ear in 11 years time, either. Nothing to suggest it will, but no way to rule it out.

mootymoo · 13/02/2021 10:52

Mine are older and dd is due to have hers next week (group 6) if she was under 16 I would jump at getting her vaccinated

CarrieBlue · 13/02/2021 10:52

Yes I would - I’d already discussed it with DS14 - where do we sign up?

kavalkada · 13/02/2021 10:52

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114166/

The polio vaccine field trials of 1954, sponsored by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (March of Dimes), are among the largest and most publicised clinical trials ever undertaken. Across the United States, 623 972 schoolchildren were injected with vaccine or placebo, and more than a million others participated as “observed” controls. The results, announced in 1955, showed good statistical evidence that Jonas Salk’s killed virus preparation was 80-90% effective in preventing paralytic poliomyelitis.

Yes, I would.I would be afraid, but I would.

bumblingbovine49 · 13/02/2021 10:53

Yes I absolutely would

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 10:53

@StrangerHereMyself I haven't just spontaneously come up with it no, look it up yourself. There are risks to all medication and vaccines and I want to know more about any potential effects on fertility, and I mean whether this some or none. It's widely know that if your ttc or pregnant you shouldn't have it as routine as they just don't know. There is zero need to patronise.

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campion · 13/02/2021 10:54

@Alfaix

My worry would be him going through lots of injections and only getting the placebo. If I knew he could have the actual jab yes I would volunteer him.
It would be one or two injections. He would be at zero risk and would be contributing to the research. How do you think they test efficacy?
Donoteatthekittens · 13/02/2021 10:55

Nope.

CocoPark · 13/02/2021 10:55

Absolutely not.

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 10:55

@unmarkedbythat my point is I want more children and I'm not going to have anything injected that doesn't have any evidence for or against.

Couldn't give a shit about a third ear, my priority is fertility.

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Scarlettpixie · 13/02/2021 10:56

I absolutely understand why parents would be sceptical about involving young children in trials and I would be too but someone has to do it or nothing will get approved. While most children who catch covid will be fine, there are thousands of vulnerable children out there who should be offered the protection of a vaccine or the won’t be able to live their lives to the full. What about them? You obviously need healthy children to test on. I have a 14 yo and if invited to take part it would be up to him. He might agree is isn’t particularly needle phobic these days. I probably wouldn’t have put him forward as a 6 yo as he would not have agreed to the injection.

There is a big difference between making then have the tested and approved vaccines which are rolled out and making them take part in a trial. I suspect many of the kids put forward will be children of medical professionals or siblings/relatives of vulnerable children.

I am not sure I would take part in a trial as I am not in the best of health but if I were healthier I would. I can’t wait to be offered the vaccine but as I am 48 it won’t be until late summer.

I do think (older?) children need to be vaccinated to help protect those who cannot be vaccinated but also to keep schools fully operational. Even with much of the adult population vaccinated, cases in schools will spread like wildfire and result in closures of bubbles (and in some cases whole schools) as well as everyone with a cold having to self isolate/take a test. I am not sure that only vaccinating adults will sufficiently wipe it out.

CavernousScream · 13/02/2021 10:56

Yes, in fact my oldest has asked if he can be in a trial (his grandparents have been in a trial so he knows all about it. I tried but couldn’t as I was breastfeeding). Does anyone have the details of how to sign up for the trial?

GoJetterGirl · 13/02/2021 10:57

Today 10:18 MaLarkinn

Not a chance!

I can't believe people would volunteer their child to be a guinea pig.

You don't deserve them.
If I’d have taken that attitude to some of the trials my 7 year old son went on for his cancer treatment then no treatment tigress and development would ever have been made that may (hopefully not tho) prevent one of your children dying from cancer the way my child did!

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 10:57

@Cornettoninja oh for goodness sake, anything is offensive these days. I had zero intention of offending anyone and 'lowering their status'.

You probably think breastfeeding should be called 'chestfeeding' too Hmm

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Cornettoninja · 13/02/2021 10:58

If you’re waiting for evidence on fertility you’re going to be waiting a long time. Vaccination effects are generally immediate (days/weeks) anything after that will have too many variables to do more than provide a link. Unless you mean anecdotal evidence so you’ll be monitoring your own social circle for your own evidence (unreliable scientifically).

Covid itself had shown a link with a negative effect on fertility (inducing early menopause in women and damaging the testes in men) so I hope you’re factoring that in.

TrufflyPig · 13/02/2021 10:58

Yes I would.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 13/02/2021 10:59

Happy to put my children forward.

I suspect they would be enthusiastic, too.

Cornettoninja · 13/02/2021 10:59

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@Cornettoninja oh for goodness sake, anything is offensive these days. I had zero intention of offending anyone and 'lowering their status'.

You probably think breastfeeding should be called 'chestfeeding' too Hmm[/quote]
Making up facts about me to try and prove a point just makes you look ridiculous you know?

Scarlettpixie · 13/02/2021 10:59

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@unmarkedbythat my point is I want more children and I'm not going to have anything injected that doesn't have any evidence for or against.

Couldn't give a shit about a third ear, my priority is fertility.[/quote]
How do you know fertility isn’t affected by getting covid OP. The effects of long covid appear to be horrendous and wide ranging.

I am not saying it is likely but it is probably just as likely as your fertility being affected by having the approved vaccine.

itsgettingwierd · 13/02/2021 11:00

Yes.

My 16yo has a neuro condition but has history of allergy although outgrown for 8 years.

It's possible despite being CV he can't have pfeizer so I was already going to ask his neurologist if AZ was an option.

TheCatThatGotTheCream · 13/02/2021 11:00

I do know of someone who was advised against having it as they were TTC.

This was because it hadn't been tested on pregnant women and therefore their foetuses, not for any effect on fertility. The guidance has now slightly changed and CEV pregnant/TTC women whose condition makes them at risk from covid are being recommended to get the vaccine.

unmarkedbythat · 13/02/2021 11:00

And mine is that absolutely nothing has suggested that this vaccine may effect fertility so insisting on evidence it won't is weird.

Cornettoninja · 13/02/2021 11:00

Interesting you’re still not bothered about being insulting though. Righto.

It’s obvious which side your bread is buttered Biscuit

Jarstastic · 13/02/2021 11:01

@atThecrossroad

I’m not sure about that. My dc are vaccinated for things like measles and meningitis I can see the sense - illness that affect children badly or spread easily between children and that’s important but it doesn’t sit right with me to vaccinate children to protect a differently generation. Vaccinate all the at risk groups but don’t use children to protect them of the illness itself is for the most part mild or undetected in children
For the herd.

I believe Rubella is generally considered eradicated in the UK and that has been a result of all children having the MMR vaccine. Previously it just girls getting the rubella vaccine (and at an older age) to protect themselves when they were older and pregnant.