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To ask if you would put child forward for the vaccine trial?

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:30

So the Oxford vaccine is now to be tested in children as young as six. Would you put your child up for for children?

Everyone calling others stupid for not wanting it can now volunteer their kids! Because, you know... you're so confident that it's perfectly safe and the right thing to do.

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flapjackfairy · 13/02/2021 09:48

Well presumably all vaccines have to be gradually tested on younger and younger children otherwise we would not have childhood immunisation at all and thousands of children would be dying of preventable childhood illnesses. So no MMR etc . They have to be deemed safe for children at some point presumably through testing or am I missing something ?
I don't see the difference here? We will need to immunize the whole population eventually to keep this thing controlled.

Useruseruserusee · 13/02/2021 09:49

@atThecrossroad

I’m not sure about that. My dc are vaccinated for things like measles and meningitis I can see the sense - illness that affect children badly or spread easily between children and that’s important but it doesn’t sit right with me to vaccinate children to protect a differently generation. Vaccinate all the at risk groups but don’t use children to protect them of the illness itself is for the most part mild or undetected in children
But this is why children are offered the flu vaccine every year.
Affor · 13/02/2021 09:49

OP have your kids have their other jabs? MMR etc? How do you think those got approved?

Crockof · 13/02/2021 09:50

[quote Greenevalley]@Crockof don't be ridiculous.
You're the only person that has mentioned any other children.[/quote]
Why am I ridiculous, its true. The vaccine will end up being tested on children in poor areas as there will not be enough western parents that agree.

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:50

@ItsSnowJokes but not in initial trials? That tells me you have your reservations.

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iVampire · 13/02/2021 09:50

I would - like a shot

The basic safety is established, it’s all about whether it works isn’t it?

I’m CEV and the biggest risk to me is what my DC brings home from school.

Obviously if DC objected, then it would not happen. But I doubt that would be the case

SycamoreGap · 13/02/2021 09:51

My children 11-16 want to be vaccinated as we have a CEV person in the household and we’ve talked about the vaccination a lot over the past few months.

It would be their choice to be part of a trial as they are old enough to decide for themselves - I would support which ever they choose.

atThecrossroad · 13/02/2021 09:51

Flu can be horrible for children as well though that’s never been disputed

But with covid we have been told repeatedly children are either asymptomatic or affected mildly

Winditbackagain · 13/02/2021 09:52

No I definitely would not. My children are not being part of an experiment, especially one which involves putting things into their system.

NerrSnerr · 13/02/2021 09:53

OP the claims about the vaccine and fertility were all false. If you look online there is a lot out there. There is nothing in the vaccination that will affect your fertility. The line reported was 'no plausible biological mechanism" by which the vaccine could affect your fertility'.

As far as I am aware no vaccinations have ever affected fertility. A couple of colleagues were asking so a few articles and studies were shared (all freely available) and all said the same.

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:53

@Affor yes, she is up to date with all her vaccinations. However, even when they were tested I still would not put her forward to trial them, other willing parents can do that. I won't even chance it until I KNOW it is safe.

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SingingLoud · 13/02/2021 09:53

Obviously if DC objected, then it would not happen. But I doubt that would be the case

A 6 year old wouldn’t have the capacity to understand enough to object.

So would you make the decision for them and go ahead and have them participate in a trail?

flapjackfairy · 13/02/2021 09:54

P s As an aside op where is all this concern about fertility coming from. Is there any evidence ? Because I have had several young women say they are not having it because it affects fertility ! But they haven't got any evidence to back that up . So is there strong evidence or not. Genuine question not looking to start a bun fight !

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:54

@NerrSnerr I wouldn't say they were false? It's been said they don't know. You have your opinion and that is fine.

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Fembot123 · 13/02/2021 09:55

@atThecrossroad

But I thought it doesn’t affect children that much so why would they want to vaccinate them ?
I think it’s to protect the ECV children who can and have died from it so they can stop shielding?
flapjackfairy · 13/02/2021 09:56

@NerrSnerr
Sorry cross posted. Thanks for the info.

NerrSnerr · 13/02/2021 09:56

@SingingLoud even if they don't have the capacity to consent you can still ask them whether they would like to take part. When assessing capacity the person's views should always be taken into account and considered.

I'd like my 6 year old in the trial but I know she wouldn't want to do it. I wouldn't force her to do a trial but I would make her get it when it's rolled out (luckily it's not a difficult decision as although she'd rather not have it I wouldn't have to restrain her - she'd just be grumpy!)

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:56

@flapjackfairy I haven't said that fertility is affected, the issue for me is there is no evidence either way. When I have more clear information about it I will make an informed decision. I do know of someone who was advised against having it as they were TTC.

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HavfrueDenizKisi · 13/02/2021 09:56

@coulditbeanymorerubbish you are wilfully misunderstanding the science on vaccines and fertility.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56012529

NerrSnerr · 13/02/2021 09:57

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@NerrSnerr I wouldn't say they were false? It's been said they don't know. You have your opinion and that is fine.[/quote]
They have now said they do know though!

There is so much more information out there (if you're actually looking and not just out there to persuade people not to vaccinate) but this is a good starting point.

www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/RCOG-and-RCM-respond-to-misinformation-around-Covid-19-vaccine-and-fertility/

atThecrossroad · 13/02/2021 09:58

[quote coulditbeanymorerubbish]@flapjackfairy I haven't said that fertility is affected, the issue for me is there is no evidence either way. When I have more clear information about it I will make an informed decision. I do know of someone who was advised against having it as they were TTC.[/quote]
Same with mmr you can’t ttc for 3 months after having it I was offered it as part of a catch up programme not couldn’t due to ttc

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 09:58

@Winditbackagain this 100%

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flapjackfairy · 13/02/2021 09:58

Finally I have a CEV child and until he can be vaccinated we are always going to be in some sort of lockdown or others . I can't wait for it to be approved for children.

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coulditbeanymorerubbish · 13/02/2021 10:00

@atThecrossroad yep, I won't have the covid vaccine until I have more info on fertility or when I've finished have children hopefully in the next 3 years.

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NerrSnerr · 13/02/2021 10:00

@Winditbackagain @coulditbeanymorerubbish

Who should it be tested on? Which children should be chosen? It needs trials (like all drugs).