Renters won't leave the house I'm buying, they 'can't find anywhere suitable'.

[wirldsgonemad]

But thanks to covid, a section 21 means people have 6 months instead of 2 months to vacate and this means I get charged £4,250 extra in stamp duty, plus mortgage application fees and survey of £1k plus my life being on hold for 6 months.

They are fully aware of my position, they know I'm a single mother of 2 small children and they don't give two hoots that they're actions are costing me £5-6k and months of waiting.

God give me strength to get through these next few months without attacking them on a regular basis.

What would you do in my situation???

Poky = point
S red = scared
Sorry for so many typos tonight!

@AngelicPP on the planet where they strong you along paying just enough rent to not be over 2 months in arrears, then say they have lost their job, then you do realise you won't actually recover any cash so you serve notice and then they do leave then at the expiry of the notice so it doesn't need to go to court and have a judgment are against them bit my by the time they leave (without a forwarding address and are untraceable) there is 6 months arrears. That's the planet where sometimes occasionally tenants do that, as you asked.

[quote SeasonFinale]**@AngelicPP on the planet where they strong you along paying just enough rent to not be over 2 months in arrears, then say they have lost their job, then you do realise you won't actually recover any cash so you serve notice and then they do leave then at the expiry of the notice so it doesn't need to go to court and have a judgment are against them bit my by the time they leave (without a forwarding address and are untraceable) there is 6 months arrears. That's the planet where sometimes occasionally tenants do that, as you asked.[/quote]
Wow this sounds like a bitter experience

@SpaceRaiders

We all know you cannot treble a tenants rent! It was a bad joke, she admitted it and apologised. It didn’t stop people piling on abusing her. It was completely uncalled for, you can disagree with someone without abusing someone, which is what quite a number of PP did. Anyway as I predicted, the thread turned into a bun fight.

Lots of people dislike LL I get it, i feel for tenants, I was a tenant for 12 years! However it seems many here will bend over backwards creating hypothetical situations on behalf of a tenant. But also then can’t differentiate between a random poster online who just happens to have a rental property they inherited and their previous dodgy LL who acted inappropriately. Like all sections of society, for every dodgy LL, there are countless tenants who trash properties, refuse to pay their rent, have pets, sublet on Airbnb without consent and those who refuse to vacate until the court orders is and bailiffs are instructed. It’s a horrific situation for anyone to be in, I have seen it first hand.

Actually @DareIask didn't know that as they said they would put the rent up at the end of the notice period because 'the contract was up' They weren't being piled on they were being criticised for their vile comments and views, and having the law pointed out to them.

So what do the landlord haters consider a reasonable rent increase? Friends who rent say it goes up every year but seem to think it's fair.

[quote SpaceRaiders]@TitusPullo You missed my point completely. That’s the exact same response that landlords on MN get,“well if you don’t know XYZ then you shouldn’t really be a LL” its ridiculous. If a tenant doesn’t understand complex tenancy law, why should a LL understand the ins and outs of it?!

Again I reiterate, there is no other contractual agreement where a service provider is expected to provide a service FOC for months on end without expectation of payment. Yet where housing is concerned, tenants routinely refuse to vacate and withhold rent until the courts force them out. And they have no obligation to repay any arrears, tenants then move on to the next LL and do the exact same thing thereby making it difficult for other renters.[/quote]
The landlord should know the ins and outs of tenancy law because that is their business. Anyone operating a business needs to know all the relevant legislation that pertains to their business. Tenants are not obligated to know the law, because they should be reasonably confident that their landlords do, and will be operating within it. The fact that tenants have to be so clued up and that tenants rights organisations need to step in and ensure landlords follow the law is an indictment of how poor many landlords are, not a judgement on the legal knowledge of tenants.

[quote SpaceRaiders]@JustLyra I can’t comment on the post you’re referring to as I didn’t see it.

In any case, she was being piled on well before that last post. You cannot continuously attack someone without expecting them to eventually bite.[/quote]
You can’t post something deliberately inflammatory, as they did, and expect people not to bite.

@Radio4Rocks

So what do the landlord haters consider a reasonable rent increase? Friends who rent say it goes up every year but seem to think it's fair.

Holding landlords to account and wanting them to adhere to housing law doesn't mean hating them. That's a very childish way to look at it.

A fair rent increase would be one which keeps in line with the local market rates.

[quote SpaceRaiders]@TitusPullo You missed my point completely. That’s the exact same response that landlords on MN get,“well if you don’t know XYZ then you shouldn’t really be a LL” its ridiculous. If a tenant doesn’t understand complex tenancy law, why should a LL understand the ins and outs of it?!

Again I reiterate, there is no other contractual agreement where a service provider is expected to provide a service FOC for months on end without expectation of payment. Yet where housing is concerned, tenants routinely refuse to vacate and withhold rent until the courts force them out. And they have no obligation to repay any arrears, tenants then move on to the next LL and do the exact same thing thereby making it difficult for other renters.[/quote]
Bring a LL is totally different to being a tenant. A LL should know the rules, especially the basics about ending tenancies.

Shop owners have to know the ins and outs of trading laws - customers don’t. When you are providing a service you have to know the law under which you operate.

You are also talking nonsense about the FOC bit. Landlords can chase down any debt owed to them if they choose. It’s just like anyone who is owed money, they have to decide if it’s worth the hassle.

The landlord should know the ins and outs of tenancy law because that is their business. Anyone operating a business needs to know all the relevant legislation that pertains to their business. Tenants are not obligated to know the law, because they should be reasonably confident that their landlords do, and will be operating within it. The fact that tenants have to be so clued up and that tenants rights organisations need to step in and ensure landlords follow the law is an indictment of how poor many landlords are, not a judgement on the legal knowledge of tenants.

Oh, and exactly this!

@SpaceRaiders, it's utterly ridiculous that you're arguing that landlords should bother to know the ins and outs of housing law.

I'd also say you don't know the meaning of 'pile on'. Anyone saying something as stupid and inflammatory as @DareIask did is obviously going to get a number of robust replies. They sounded bitter, clueless and vindictive.

I still don't believe there are many tenants (proportionally) who stay in properties withholding rent. It would be interesting to see if there are any stats on that. I still think that the number of rogue / clueless / useless landlords outnumber dodgy tenants.

Are you sure that the tenants will leave at the end of six months. If they can't find somewhere to live the advice given to them will be to stay in the property until evicted. The courts have a big backlog. I would start looking for somewhere else.

I’d ask he seller to reduce the price to cover your losses.saying otherwise you’ll have to pull out.
It’s terrible for renters at the moment. There’s a couple opposite me with two young kids and they literally can’t find anything. If anything barely habitable comes on the market, several other people are fighting for it and they’ve not been chosen so far. They are desperately worried as the landlord has given them a measly 3 week extension.
It’s an awful situation at the moment

Pull out or the vendor covers the extra cost.... looses their sale if not
Simple

Exactly SeasonFinale

Tenants are not obligated to know the law Thankfully, neither are property owners or anyone who just happens to have inherited. That’s why you enlist the services of a qualified agent.

AngelicPP I can barely make sense of your garbled previous post. I’m an experienced LL, I have supported a friend through it first hand, but don’t take my word for it because you’ve watched one episode of nightmare tenants!

Tenants are not obligated to know the law Thankfully, neither are property owners or anyone who just happens to have inherited. That’s why you enlist the services of a qualified agent.

Except many don't do that, choosing to manage themselves to save money.

Ah @SpaceRaiders has had a friend whose tenants stopped paying. Clearly that is irrefutable proof that the majority do...

@NoWordForFluffy

Tenants are not obligated to know the law Thankfully, neither are property owners or anyone who just happens to have inherited. That’s why you enlist the services of a qualified agent.

Except many don't do that, choosing to manage themselves to save money.

And agents often have no more clue than the LLs

In fact agents are often fucking worse as they think they know the rules, but many don’t

Yep. You don't need to be qualified to call yourself a lettings agent, you just set yourself up as one.

@JustLyra Again twisting things to suit your own agenda.

Happy Sunday everyone.

Yes whatever DareI, sorry, SpaceRaiders

While I can understand the OP might not have a a good understanding of tenancy law it is gobsmacking that the solicitor and estate agent didn’t ensure that an S21 notice was issued earlier

Whether the tenants are genuinely stuck and unable to find somewhere suitable to move to (likely) or are just being obstinate and are exercising the full extent of their legal rights to remain in the property ‘just because’ (possible) it just seems spectacularly naive to have expected the tenants to just move out at the point it was convenient to facilitate the sale of the property.

Does seem to be consistent with a view some landlords to have that doesn’t look beyond to the balance sheet to see tenants as real people living in a home, rather than just rent-paying entities.

A few years ago I was purchasing a house which had tenants who had been served notice, I was told the date they were supposed to be moving out. When I viewed the property in January the tenants were there, they seemed pleasant enough said they were starting to pack their things up. Then just before they were due to move out on their notice date which was in April they announce they have no where to go. They had 4 months knowing the house was sold. They were going to the council for help saying they were going to be homeless but all they got offered was a b&b in a city about 40 miles away. They just refused to move out. They could have found somewhere else in that time but they had a good deal where they were so nothing else compared, they liked where they were. I pulled out of the purchase and had to find somewhere else. I don’t know how long it took the landlord to evict these tenants, I know it’s not an easy process. He may have even given up and just kept renting. I would just say don’t trust that they will move just because they say they will and even if they’re served notice and the date comes round some tenants still refuse to move!

A S21 was not issued as a S21 can only be issued 4 months into any new tenancy. So tenants now cannot be asked to leave until the end of the tenth month of their tenancy.

And if OP buys the S21 process starts again from scratch.

@Needmoresleep

A S21 was not issued as a S21 can only be issued 4 months into any new tenancy. So tenants now cannot be asked to leave until the end of the tenth month of their tenancy.

And if OP buys the S21 process starts again from scratch.

The tenants had a 6 month tenancy. The S21 could have been issued in December.

And the OP cannot buy a tenanted property on a residental mortgage