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Renters won't leave the house I'm buying, they 'can't find anywhere suitable'.

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wirldsgonemad · 12/02/2021 17:42

But thanks to covid, a section 21 means people have 6 months instead of 2 months to vacate and this means I get charged £4,250 extra in stamp duty, plus mortgage application fees and survey of £1k plus my life being on hold for 6 months.

They are fully aware of my position, they know I'm a single mother of 2 small children and they don't give two hoots that they're actions are costing me £5-6k and months of waiting.

God give me strength to get through these next few months without attacking them on a regular basis.

What would you do in my situation???

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AngelicPP · 13/02/2021 21:33

@SpaceRaiders

Where is the humanity of some of the posters on this thread

Whilst calling a PP stupid and self important for simply wanting a smooth hand over, in an already shitty situation. Hmm You don’t seem to have much humanity for a person who’s just lost a loved one do you?

Not at all I have said they aren't being nice and it's the truth, hurting or being stressed is not an excuse to take things out on innocent people is it? It is not a nice situation but we don't know very much about it and it's not about that anyway. People are just responding to a person threatening tenants with illegal retaliation to not moving out when they are by legally at that stage yet. I haven't been nasty I haven't called then a c* or anything have I? I don't know this person but their opinion on this is shitty.

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 21:34

@DareIask

You have all completely ignored the fact that I have bent over backwards to be fair to these tenants. They are long standing tenants who aren't being 'turfed out'. I was told they wanted to but so gave them weeks to sort it. Then found out they had no intention. So served notice. Now they're deliberately making selling hard

This is a 5 bedroom house being rented by a professional couple. They could buy somewhere. They could rent just about anything local for what they're paying

And it is their home. But it's also bad luck their landlord died.

I am not a vile human being.

No-one is ignoring anything.

You posted about tripling their rent. People replied.

If you wanted people to take into account context then you should have posted that at the time. People aren’t mindreaders

Your comment about it being sad that you can’t do anything illegal shows you for what you are.

DareIask · 13/02/2021 21:36

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AngelicPP · 13/02/2021 21:37

@DareIask

You have all completely ignored the fact that I have bent over backwards to be fair to these tenants. They are long standing tenants who aren't being 'turfed out'. I was told they wanted to but so gave them weeks to sort it. Then found out they had no intention. So served notice. Now they're deliberately making selling hard

This is a 5 bedroom house being rented by a professional couple. They could buy somewhere. They could rent just about anything local for what they're paying

And it is their home. But it's also bad luck their landlord died.

I am not a vile human being.

You only gave very little info on your situation so now we are supposed to know what is happening?!
People speak about what they are told which I have. If they have messed you around then yes they are in the wrong as I said before...on what you had told us you were being unreasonable. If you had told us the proper reason you feel they are unreasonable then more may agree with you. We aren't mindreaders. I did say previously that if it is how you said and nothing else had gone on that my opinion is you are the unreasonable one.

Mummyinoz · 13/02/2021 21:43

This is not the tenants’ fault or issue in the slightest. Your anger is misplaced. Remember they are losing their home as part of this transaction. The owner should have served notice before marketing the house for sale.

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 21:43

Have all of DareIask’s posts randomly been deleted or have I got a glitchy thread?

Fudgemonkeys · 13/02/2021 21:45

Pull out. It's simply not meant to be.

AngelicPP · 13/02/2021 21:45

@JustLyra

Have all of DareIask’s posts randomly been deleted or have I got a glitchy thread?

With any luck! Don't need to be reminded that some people actually think this way tbh!

TitusPullo · 13/02/2021 21:46

@JustLyra - nope they’ve been deleted. The poster probably complained they were being outed or something.

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 21:46

[quote TitusPullo]@JustLyra - nope they’ve been deleted. The poster probably complained they were being outed or something.[/quote]
Or they were as trollish as they sounded

TitusPullo · 13/02/2021 21:50

@JustLyra - I hope you are right. I dread to think those sort of landlords exist.

AngelicPP · 13/02/2021 21:50

Whatever he reason I'm glad they were deleted...only a shame that thers a few that weren't.

AngelicPP · 13/02/2021 21:51

Sorry typos my fingers are really cold!! Think you get the gist tho 😂

Asdf12345 · 13/02/2021 21:59

Having been in this situation as a tennant pre covid I would say pull out, or take it as a buy to let until they are out which could easily be over a year with the current state of affairs.

If there is nowhere for the tennant to go they can’t magically disappear. In the end we left close to six months after being asked to leave ASAP, naturally with a glowing reference because anything less would make it less likely we would get somewhere else. That was when rentals were easier to find and we only had to compete with eight other prospective tenants for the house we ended up in, since then I understand things have just got worse. As such six months notice plus six months trying to get them out should be the starting point for your plans.

SpaceRaiders · 13/02/2021 22:00

You only gave very little info on your situation so now we are supposed to know what is happening?!

But you’ve supported a hypothetical situation of a tenant refusing to vacate? You’ve made allowances for every hypothetical situation they may be in. Unless you know this tenant in question, how do you know they’re not just being difficult? Yet a LL with a similarly tricky situation who has seemingly done everything right legally still gets abused for getting frustrated with someone who may or may not vacate at the end of their notice period.

Needmoresleep · 13/02/2021 22:02

Darelask, you have my sympathy.

I posted up thread that my late mother’s property is tenanted (to help pay for her care when she moved into sheltered accommodation).

The tenant, who at the time of my mother’s death was completely understanding about our situation and promised to be flexible, is now nothing of the sort, even hinting that she won’t leave even when her six months are up.

The infuriating thing is that she is renting it as a second home. She has a perfectly nice home 300 miles away where she spends most of her time.

In the autumn when the second lockdown was threatened we offered to allow her to leave without notice. Yet she believes she is able to regularly commute between the property and her home. And invite family from other parts of the country to join her.

We can’t put it on the open market without vacant possession. We are keen to get things sorted so we can stop paying the expensive retainer to the probate solicitors. So I am trying to borrow enough to buy my brother out and to pay HMRC. The big complication is that if she does not leave when her six months are up, and before ownership transfers to me, the tenancy transfers to me as the new owner, but the S21 does not. I have to start all over again. Perhaps having to own for four months before I can issue a S21, and then six months S21 notice, and then the eviction process proper. And by then the law may well have changed, getting rid of S21s and meaning I can only evict her if I decide to sell the property.

Putting the rent up is also not an option, as the tenant needs to agree to sign a new contract. If they don’t agree the existing terms remain and the tenancy becomes a statutory periodic. Unfortunately our tenant, in return for her stated willingness to be flexible is on a very low rent and so can’t find anything comparable.

It is less difficult for me as my mother lived to a good age. The additional stress caused by a bereavement and complications around mortgage and the need to make provisions for minors must be awful.

SpaceRaiders · 13/02/2021 22:09

There are some really awful individuals on this thread. Imagine twisting someone’s words to suit your own agenda then patting yourselves on the back for driving someone off a thread. What horrible behaviour!

TitusPullo · 13/02/2021 22:11

@SpaceRaiders - people were reacting to Darelask claiming she was going to treble the rent or expressing disappointment she couldn’t illegally force people out of their home. If someone expresses these views then yeah I am going to side with the tenant. You can be doing everything legally and still be an arsehole.

Needmoresleep · 13/02/2021 22:20

Would you side with my tenant as well.

Probate with a tenanted property is extremely stressful, but presumably not uncommon. We rented my mother’s flat out after she had a health crisis, as our hope was that she would be well enough to return one day. The proposed new legislation is likely to make it worse still. Should we have left the property empty?

rawalpindithelabrador · 13/02/2021 22:25

It's such a common story for tenants to be lied to and for landlords to say they are looking for long-term tenants when they know they will be selling, so there's a good chance the tenants had no idea.

I've also rented a house that had been for sale and hadn't sold - and became long-term tenants. So if the tenants saw the for sale sign it doesn't mean they knew the landlord was still actively selling.

We had this happen three times. Bad enough we found out they were trying to sell it within days of moving in, then in one case we found out it didn't sell and was being repossessed!

rawalpindithelabrador · 13/02/2021 22:27

[quote TitusPullo]@SpaceRaiders - people were reacting to Darelask claiming she was going to treble the rent or expressing disappointment she couldn’t illegally force people out of their home. If someone expresses these views then yeah I am going to side with the tenant. You can be doing everything legally and still be an arsehole.[/quote]
And not really much other background information.

TitusPullo · 13/02/2021 22:31

@Needmoresleep - I don’t know, are you planning to treble the tenants rent to force them out or express disappointment you can’t do something illegal for get them out?

As I said above, I understand why Darelask had to sell the property, doesn’t make her views about tenants less disgusting. I don’t know the reasons that you have chosen to rent your mother’s flat. Whatever the reason is when a someone chooses to become a landlord they benefit from rent, yet some landlords on here act as if they have done tenants some massive favour letting them reside in their property, and when they don’t want them anymore they are vermin. In an ideal world, tenants could have longer more secure rentals, they could leave and find another property easily or be able to access social housing. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. I bet it’s much more stressful going through the process of being evicted so that the council will find you a bed sit somewhere then it is having to evict a tenant.

SpaceRaiders · 13/02/2021 22:42

We all know you cannot treble a tenants rent! It was a bad joke, she admitted it and apologised. It didn’t stop people piling on abusing her. It was completely uncalled for, you can disagree with someone without abusing someone, which is what quite a number of PP did. Anyway as I predicted, the thread turned into a bun fight.

Lots of people dislike LL I get it, i feel for tenants, I was a tenant for 12 years! However it seems many here will bend over backwards creating hypothetical situations on behalf of a tenant. But also then can’t differentiate between a random poster online who just happens to have a rental property they inherited and their previous dodgy LL who acted inappropriately. Like all sections of society, for every dodgy LL, there are countless tenants who trash properties, refuse to pay their rent, have pets, sublet on Airbnb without consent and those who refuse to vacate until the court orders is and bailiffs are instructed. It’s a horrific situation for anyone to be in, I have seen it first hand.

JustLyra · 13/02/2021 22:49

@SpaceRaiders

There are some really awful individuals on this thread. Imagine twisting someone’s words to suit your own agenda then patting yourselves on the back for driving someone off a thread. What horrible behaviour!
When someone posts something vile to get a reaction then it’s not a surprise when they get a reaction.

The last post said that it was sad they couldn’t illegally do anything so there was no joke or anything. Just another vile person who thinks tenants are somehow lesser people

Lovely1a2b3c · 13/02/2021 22:52

@cansu

Why on earth have you put an offer in on a house with tenants?? The owner should have waited until the tenants had left before putting the house on the market. Expecting tenants to make themselves homeless to suit you, a total stranger, is a no brainer. It was never going to happen.
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