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AIBU?

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BIL falsely accused me of criminal assault. AIBU to cut him off forever.

106 replies

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 09:45

My sister has been in an abusive relationship with her partner for 16 years. He is a bully and has exercised coercive control over her for many years. Ie. he controls all their finances, her email, her passwords, what she buys, monitors her spending etc. She has no private life of her own, and with 2 of 3 youngish children with complex needs, she has really let him completely take over her life. She’s picked up the caring duties for their 3 DDs while he works in a reasonably lucrative business. All family assets of any value are in his sole ownership and he has all the ‘family’ money hidden away in investments which only he has access to and can control. She’s been barely keeping her head above water. While he also threatens to cheat on her, accuses her of being a bad mother, terrible partner etc etc.
After Xmas, she decided enough is enough. She was leaving him. This came as a relief to most of the wider family.

She then withdrew what little cash she could with the card he allows her to spend from, and moved a little extra money from their joint account to her personal account (which he then accessed and without authorisation put it into his account so she was effectively destitute). He also threatened to report the family car (again in his sole name) she was driving her 3 DDs around as stolen because she refused to return it.
She decided she then needed to collect her personal belongings from their house. He refused to let her into the house to move items out, but we eventually managed to get in. I’m then helping her pack and move out of the house, while he’s threatening to sue her etc etc.
He made claim to the kitchen table, I explained it was hers (it was gifted by my parents to her) and while trying to move this item out of the house he calls the police and screams at them I am assaulting him and he is being assaulted by me and he needs immediate police assistance - I never even touched him. In the live call to police he made out I was attacking him. Which he did no doubt to get me out of the house and to stop me supporting her with this move. Police come, see no injuries, and thankfully take the matter no further.
Months have passed, she’s now back with him, he’s seeing a councillor and apparently having all sorts of insights re his Daddy issues. Sister says apparently he felt so vulnerable and that’s why he did what he did, but he’s a changing person. I don’t buy this at all. The person I know him to be is cunning, shrewd, manipulative and without any redeeming qualities, counselling or not. He’s just doing this counselling thing to get their relationship back to where it was and so he can start controlling her again.
My profession and employment is dependent on me having a clean criminal record.
I have explained to my sister and the wider family I want nothing to do with him and will not attend any family events if he is in attendance.
AIBU?
Would there be any circumstances where you might make amends with such a person for the sake of the broader family, having regard to the risk I might be taking for my immediate family were he to pull a similar or another stunt like this?

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Crayfishforyou · 11/02/2021 09:49

If you cut him off do you cut off your sister too by default?
I agree he is a foul piece of work and I wouldn’t want to be in the same room as him either

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2021 09:53

You can't give up our own life, career etc to help your DSis.

You know she isn't ready to leave him yet... she has tried and failed. She'll do that a few times more, probably.

All you can do is repeat to your family that you can't take the risk he will do that again and won't be putting your family on the line for him. If your DSis wants help again she can get it, but you won't play happy families. You just can't!

Best of luck working your way through this. I know only too well how hard it is to get your head round it!

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 09:54

It makes the relationship with my sister really difficult. Any family events with her 3 DDs and her partner present, mean I am not going to at this time. It means I’m seeing my nieces less and am less in attendance at some wider family events.

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Newfor2021 · 11/02/2021 09:59

Don’t let him push you out, this is exactly what he wants!
I’d make damn sure I attended every event he went to, I’d make a bigger fuss of sis and children and totally stonewall him.
Don’t speak to him, don’t go near him but let it be known your still there for sis, as she needs to leave him once and for all.
Can she not get any legal advice or help?

wheredoesthemoneygo · 11/02/2021 10:00

You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped and if you continue to try to do so you're putting yourself at risk.

It's awful but I think you need to distance yourself. Let your sister know that when she's ready that you're all there to support her but she needs to take the proper steps. Report him, get support to leave so that she, her kids and wider family are protected as much as can be.

I hope she finds the strength to leave him soon!

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 10:21

@Newfor2021

If she gets legal advice which she needs to pay for, he will know as he controls all their finances and so sees all her spending. She might be able to withdraw bits of smaller money overtime to pay for it, and do so therefore without his knowledge, but I think ultimately her headspace is she is not ready to leave him yet. I have referred her to a number of women’s support / legal charities etc, but I gather she’s not ready to take that next step. Atm I think she’s too daunted at the challenges ahead with 2 children with complex needs, and not having been in recent gainful employment.

I can’t actually believe she’s returned back to him again.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 11/02/2021 10:29

OP, you are doing exactly what he wants.Sad If it were me, I would go but turn the phone camera on every time was around.

DaisyDreaming · 11/02/2021 10:32

I would refuse all contact with him but while being careful to still be supportive of you’re sister

CareBear50 · 11/02/2021 10:32

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face OP.

Go to family events. But ALWAYS ensure you are never alone with him or him and your sister.

Always have potential witnesses there who will be truthful and back you up, should a situation ever develop.

2020iscancelled · 11/02/2021 10:36

I don’t blame you for wanting to do that.

My only worry would be that it limits your sisters support system.

But then i agree there is nothing you can do until she is ready to leave and take action.

I am leaning towards PP above, having my camera on and witnesses when in his presence.
I would never be in close proximity with him without other people and I would avoid intimate gatherings but I wouldn’t cut myself out of the family - he really so getting his way then.

I’d make it really clear you have the measure of him and it’s just a matter of time.

TheNorthWind · 11/02/2021 10:40

You are not unreasonable to not want to be within sight or sound of him.

Isolating her completely from her family/friends/all support is exactly what he wants. But you can only do what you can do and you have to protect yourself.

Your poor sister. It sounds like she's in a truly terrible situation. And poor you, having to watch it.

jeaux90 · 11/02/2021 10:44

I'd advise her to contact the freedom programme

She needs to understand that coercive control is now against the law, including financial, she seemingly has a good case.

Porridgeoat · 11/02/2021 10:46

That would be it for me. No contact with him. You’ve tried. Tell your sister you will always have an open door for her

timeisnotaline · 11/02/2021 10:49

Go to family events. Would your parents let you put a camera in their main rooms and not tell them? You wouldn’t have access to footage you’d just ask for it if anything did happen.

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 10:50

Thank you all for your thoughts and reflections as I’m really struggling with this. It’s interesting to note how opinion is split here too. I’m really wavering regarding how to best manage this.

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MoodyMarshall · 11/02/2021 10:57

Yes, I would go to family events: if things kick off, then you have more evidence that your BIL is an abuser.

In the meantime, encourage your sister to do the Freedom Programme. Also, here is a link to Why Does He Do That?

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

Throwntothewolves · 11/02/2021 11:00

You can cut him out of your life but don't cut your sister off. She desperately wants to leave but she's conditioned by him to think it's impossible, look at what happened when she tried to, it'll be even harder the next time. If she gets to the stage of actually trying to leave again get others on board to help if possible so he can't pull that stunt as easily. Get your sister to call 101 beforehand to tell them she is leaving and what happened the last time. That way if he does scream 'Help, get the Police!' they know the score. I'm sure they saw through him the last time or you would have been removed from the house.
I know everyone says it and also from experience that they can't help practically except in the most extreme cases, but could she speak to Women's Aid for advice. They can give her lots of advice and contact details for support and advice

Brefugee · 11/02/2021 11:02

YANBU to want not to go to these events. However, realistically do you want to cut yourself off from your sister & her children and other family events?

Best, probably, to go and make sure you have someone with you at all times in case he tries to pull another stunt on you. Your sister needs help but we all know how complicated this is going to be.

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 11:03

@MoodyMarshall

Thanks. I’ll send her the link for Lundy Bancroft’s book but meanwhile I have recently ordered a hard copy for her and I’m awaiting delivery of it so I can give it to her. I am hoping it will help her through this

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Norwester · 11/02/2021 11:04

I'd go to every event. And I'd let him know that I am watching him. Log everything that he does and says.

GreenlandTheMovie · 11/02/2021 11:07

I'd have made a complaint to the police about him!

Poolbridge · 11/02/2021 11:11

@GreenlandTheMovie

I never thought of doing this. I might go and speak to them and get their take on it re making a false allegation and wasting police time

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Cyw2018 · 11/02/2021 11:11

I voted YABU only because I can't see a way of you doing this without losing your sister completely as her DH simply will not allow you to her to have a relationship independent of him.

Also, your family will have the same concerns and you will put them in a no win situation, do they invite BIL (who they clearly despise) to family events so they can maintain a relationship with your sister, or do they ban BIL and by associating your sister so that you (a strong independent person) can attend. You may find yourself not attending many family events going forward.

Just make sure you are never alone with BIL for safety against false allegations and your own personal safety (he sounds terrifying).

MatildaTheCat · 11/02/2021 11:12

Your DSis needs you. It often takes multiple attempts to leave an abuser so you have to hang in there for her and her DC sake.

Are SS aware of the situation? They may be able to offer support to her. His actions are against the law.

Leakyradiator · 11/02/2021 11:12

Nope. It’s so sad, but you can’t help your sister if she refuses to be helped. I guess she doesn’t want to “ throw away” her life with her dh, so she’s betting on his counselling working out. Looking in , I only see trouble ahead. I would go NC with this man. He can’t be allowed to affect your job and livelihood op.