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Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 23:44

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 14/02/2021 22:41

Trump isn't President anymore, Biden is. Republicans are the minority party in both houses.
Keep persisting. The GOP have already started to turn on each other.

Trump the "business man" will be the thing that bites him on the bum. He was a crook before 2016 and he's the same crook now.

longwayoff · 14/02/2021 22:44

I'm not convinced that Trump has the massive amount of support across the country that he claims. I would have expected to see much more civil unrest if so, although I think he's set a date - 4 March? - for a return bout. As we know, he lies a lot. Bigly lies. Fingers crossed that his loudest supporters are as cowardly as he is and say enough us enough.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 14/02/2021 22:51

This is Trump's heaping list of legal problems post-impeachment.
www.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/trump-legal-problems-post-impeachment/index.html

prettybird · 14/02/2021 23:36

Senator Murkowsku issues a scorching statement on why she voted to convict Trump.

Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)
Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)
Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)
RedToothBrush · 14/02/2021 23:37

This just popped up on my twitter feed and i thought it was so apt and of the moment that it deserved to be posted here as a reminder :

In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true… The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
Hannah Arendt

lionheart · 14/02/2021 23:38

Wonder where he'll find lawyers willing to take him on.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 15/02/2021 08:12

Why are people insisting Trump was acquitted? He wasn't acquitted, a majority of the House found him guilty, just not a sufficient majority to take action against him for his crimes. But he was still found guilty, surely? If not, why not? This system needs serious overhauling, if no-one can sanction the jurors, who are also witnesses, for hobnobbing with the person on trial during the process. It's ridiculous.

PerkingFaintly · 15/02/2021 09:19

Well, he wasn't cleared of the charges – even McConnell said the substance was true – but he was acquitted under the law which needs two-thirds to convict.

So acquitted is the correct word. But innocent certainly isn't...

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 15/02/2021 09:42

Oh, darn it! Thank you for the explanation, @PerkingFaintly. In this case, I feel, in Dickens' immortal words, "the law is a ass - a idiot".

TartrazineCustard · 15/02/2021 10:23

A considerably less glum view of how the impeachment went from David Frum in the Atlantic. Frum was George W Bush's speechwriter and one of the early never-Trumper Conservatives:

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/impeachment-did-not-prevail-trump-still-lost/618026/

Lweji · 15/02/2021 10:32

Also in The Atlantic:

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/02/eric-metaxas-2020-election-trump/617999/

"Eric Metaxas Believes America Is Creeping Toward Nazi Germany
The pro-Trump radio host explains how he thinks about the Capitol siege and President Joe Biden’s America."

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TartrazineCustard · 15/02/2021 10:41

The thing that's difficult with that Metaxas interview is that it's a bit like QAnon - how many voters actually believe that and are willing to take action? Polling suggests they're a minority (and that not everyone who voted for Trump shares that set of beliefs). If they're a violent, insurrectionist minority, they can be dealt with as domestic terrorists. If they are actually half the country, there would be a problem - but I don't think they actually are.

PerkingFaintly · 15/02/2021 10:47

For those interested and who get UK telly, there's a Panorama tonight on "Vaccines: The Disinformation War" (BBC One, Monday 15 February at 19:30 GMT).

It's by Marianna Spring, who specialises in studying disinformation and is usually worth reading, so it might be generally applicable.

Trailer article:
Covid-19: How did a volunteer panel react when we showed them an anti-vax video?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56047409

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 15/02/2021 10:53

Eric Metaxas Believes America Is Creeping Toward Nazi Germany I have been saying this since Trump announced his candidacy. And it’s not so much creeping as following a worryingly similar path.

Lweji · 15/02/2021 11:00

@EveryoneRevealsThemselves

Eric Metaxas Believes America Is Creeping Toward Nazi Germany I have been saying this since Trump announced his candidacy. And it’s not so much creeping as following a worryingly similar path.
Except he thinks it is creeping now due to people who are not standing up to incitement to violence, whereas we all thought it was creeping due to Trump and all that he is associated with.

Yes, people like this is a fringe, but they are winning elections. Even if overall things have turned around the last election to some extent. They are not going away. They will just regroup.

TartrazineCustard · 15/02/2021 11:00

I suspect you're saying that from a rather different perspective than Eric Metaxas is, Everyone.

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 15/02/2021 11:33

Yes admittedly I posted without reading the article.

Except he thinks it is creeping now due to people who are not standing up to incitement to violence, whereas we all thought it was creeping due to Trump and all that he is associated with

I don’t totally disagree either. I think most of us still do not understand how we even got here. There are so many points at which it should have all been over and yet...
Remember, We saw literal Nazis marching in the streets of Charlottesville with no condemnation from the president. Depressingly, I’m not sure any of us should therefore be surprised by the coup attempt on 6 December or many other things.

I am so damn depressed about it all I can barely string sentences together.

longwayoff · 15/02/2021 12:00

Creeping towards? Running towards it with arms outstretched and has been doing so since before giving his 'I'm channelling Mussolini today' inauguration speech. Utterly grim.

Lweji · 15/02/2021 12:18

Sorry, I meant to write

Except he thinks it is creeping now due to people who are not standing up to incitement to violence

What he thinks is so outrageous that I instinctively wrote the opposite. Grin

HoneysuckIejasmine · 15/02/2021 12:38

Eric Metaxas struck me as incredibly ignorant of what's actually happening. "It's not like people were beaten to death, it's not like anyone was shot". And when the interviewer says, well actually, he just seems to shrug and say "if you say so, I don't follow it closely" and yet there he is, on his big platform, spouting his ill-informed perspectives to a trusting audience. He's not even ashamed that he's not getting it right.

Lweji · 15/02/2021 12:39

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/15/us-capitol-attack-commission-9-11-style-trump

"US lawmakers call for 9/11-style commission to investigate Capitol riot
Democrats and Republicans both voice support for panel to ‘make sure it never happens again’"

Thymeout · 15/02/2021 12:58

We've had an attempted take-over of a political party in this country, too. Far left, rather than far right, but both cultist, centred round a charismatic leader with populist policies. Corbyn's Momentum intimidated local branches and tried to deselect MPs. The PLP were marginalised and the membership empowered. Representative Parliamentary Democracy was called 'undemocratic'. One man, one vote, even if MPs represented thousands of votes and were accountable to their constituents, and individual members represented no one but themselves, accountable to no one.

Obviously, there are crucial differences in the 2 countries' political systems, but I think there are lessons to be learned. A pp said anti-Trumpists should resign and form their own party. No. Hold tight to the brand, and, if it's anything like the UK, the real-estate that goes with it. Change UK was a mistake. In the end, it was the Red Wall who scuppered Corbyn.

Support the growing numbers of traditional Reps who have begun to drift away from Trump. Amplify their voices. Prosecute the thugs and the trolls who have driven the sensible silent majority away from local activism. A lot of people voted Labour in 2018 despite, not because of, Corbyn. The same applies to a growing number of the millions who voted for Trump in the popular vote.

Trump's lost them the White House, and the Senate. He's lost his megaphone. He's losing big name donors on a daily basis. Law suits are piling up. Debts will be called in. John Dean said on CNN that he should be ignored. Back to the gossip columns, no longer front page news. He's 74, putting on weight. Time is on our side.

(Wd be very grateful for info on how political parties in the US work on a local level.)

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