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Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)

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Roussette · 10/02/2021 23:44

Previous thread...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4145424-Moving-on-its-Biden-Harris-Administration-time-124?msgid=104553726#104553726

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Roussette · 14/02/2021 14:12

Great post, good to see you Across

Fascinating articles on the rabbit holes/QAnon. One thing is clear... if it is a loved one, a friend, a family member... you need a helluva lot of patience to try and help

Rolling Stone nailed it with their headline here.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-acquitted-impeachment-trial-1128187/

Gutless Republicans Endorse Insurrection, Acquit Trump at Impeachment Trial

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DGRossetti · 14/02/2021 14:16

[quote lionheart]18 years old.

www.politicalflare.com/2021/02/maga-dad-is-very-sorry-he-took-maga-son-to-riot-as-son-is-held-without-bail-facing-12-federal-charges/[/quote]
Apple didn't fall far from the tree.

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Roussette · 14/02/2021 14:23

Have to say.... in response to some articles since 6th Jan. about the rioters, I am totally sick to death of hearing I Am Sorry. These are grown men and women, they are only sorry the FBI caught up with them, and that some have compromised their businesses (Estate Agent woman and the CEO of that Company reported early on), their family and friends, money and possibly freedom etc.
They knew exactly what they were doing. The Sorry thing doesn't wash with me at all.

This 'sorry' guy's son was walking around with a baton and pushing and shoving police all whilst with Dad.

Sorry doesn't cut it.

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PerkingFaintly · 14/02/2021 14:34

I do feel sorry for some of the people who didn't enter the Capitol or engage in the violence, and who genuinely believed they were there doing a good thing.

They were on the receiving end of repeated, emotionally loaded messaging telling them they would be good people for doing this – and they wanted to be good people.

When they switch off the pied piper's channel, their better judgement may kick in.

lionheart · 14/02/2021 14:58

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-impeachment-acquit_n_6027e114c5b6f88289fbfc0f?ri18n=true

'Back in January 2016, before Donald Trump won his first presidential primary, before he secured his position atop the Republican Party and before he won the White House, he mused about the unbreakable bond between himself and his supporters with a joke about murder.

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said, to a laughing audience, while pointing his finger at them like a gun. “OK? It’s, like, incredible.”

What was once true of his supporters is now true of nearly the entire Republican Party. The Senate voted 57 to 43 on Saturday to convict Trump, now an ex-president, of inciting an insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 as part of his plan to overturn an election he lost.

Just seven Republicans joined all 50 Democrats and independents to vote to convict, despite a mountain of evidence presented by the House impeachment managers. It was short of the 67 votes needed to convict.'

DuncinToffee · 14/02/2021 15:02

Hard to disagree

Bill Kristol @BillKristol

92 years ago today: the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago. It it happened today, Mitch McConnell would give an indignant speech denouncing not just the perpetrators but the individual who organized and incited them--after voting to acquit him.

LadyWithLapdog · 14/02/2021 16:08

(Sorry, just a place marker as I’m new to your threads.)

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Roussette · 14/02/2021 16:10

Hi '@LadyWithLapdog and welcome Smile

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coffeeandbiscuittime · 14/02/2021 16:27

@across - good post, you are right that we have learnt so much over the years about the US system, yesterday ( and the last 4 years) has been challenging on both sides of the pond , Brexit for us , Trump for you.
I have a friend over from the US to see his poorly mum, he is just hoping that Biden and co can get things done.
I think we were all just hoping that the senate would convict Trump but we also knew that they probably wouldn't- so it wasn't a surprise.
Sorry to hear about your mum Thanks

prettybird · 14/02/2021 16:29

Welcome LadyWithLapdog Thanks

Many many Blush moons ago, in my first two years at Uni when I was studying Russian from scratch (joint with French - but I then changed course to do Economics rather than Russian alongside the French for my Honours years) "Lady with a Dog" was the only Russian novel that I read in full in the original Russian because it was nice and short Wink

lionheart · 14/02/2021 16:47

Hello LadywithLapdog.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/antifa-proud-boys-militia-trump-insurrection-1121933/

'Embedded with the team of anti-fascist researchers and activists who infiltrate and expose Proud Boys, neo-Nazis, militias, and other members of the violent far right.'

LadyWithLapdog · 14/02/2021 16:51

@prettybird Chechov used to be my favourite writer.

Thank you for the welcome.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 14/02/2021 16:56

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil
A criminal conviction would disbar him from being able to run again.

There is nothing in the Constitution which debars a felon from running for President. He could run again with a criminal conviction.

There is possibility in 14.3
"Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

In that case the onus would be on those wishing to allow him to stand, to get the two-thirds majority in both houses.

Zebracat · 14/02/2021 17:08

Well. Got too dispirited by it all to keep engaging. I still have this sense of incredulity that these people have no shame. For local Republican parties to censure those who voted with their conscience. For Taylor Greene to make her threats. Astonishing.

DGRossetti · 14/02/2021 17:27

Wildly OT, but where the hope comes from. As an adopted Brummie myself, under far more favourable conditions, this is something that makes me proud of my adopted city - and the UK generally. And this is the sort of courageous youth the world needs.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56062789

Malala Yousafzai tells Desert Island Discs: 'Birmingham has become a second home'

Lweji · 14/02/2021 17:52

SNL does the acquittal.

maggiethecat · 14/02/2021 18:08

Can someone clarify for me - John Bolton was on air yesterday saying that the senate could not rule on the constitutionality of impeaching a former president for alleged crimes while in office.

Makes no sense to me - why then did they have the vote on constitutionality before hearing the facts of the case? And if it was unconstitutional should those taking that view not have voted?

So who rules on constitutionality? I thought the senate itself created precedent hence the consideration of the Blount and Belknap cases and how the senate acted in these instances.

If not the senate to determine the legal position is it the Supreme Court?

coffeeandbiscuittime · 14/02/2021 19:49

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/republicans-will-never-stand-up-to-trump?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Were Trump now merely a private person, Republican senators would not be bending over backwards to appease him. It is precisely because Trump continues to control the base of the party – with millions viewing him as the rightful president in exile – that Republican lawmakers remain unwilling to cross him.
^
The above is an excerpt of the article- sorry my phone will not let me put quotation marks in.
^

lionheart · 14/02/2021 20:14

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-poll-idUSKBN2AD0LH

'(Reuters) - Seventy-one percent of American adults, including nearly half of all Republicans, believe former President Donald Trump was at least partially responsible for starting the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Ipsos poll conducted for Reuters.'

prettybird · 14/02/2021 21:18

That's better than I expected. I'll take what good news we can get Grin

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maggiethecat · 14/02/2021 21:48

Lindsey Graham essentially rebukes McConnell whom he considers an outlier for his view of Trump and says Trump is the most potent force in the GOP which needs Trump PLUS going forward.

No amount of witnesses brought was going to get another trial result.

www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-mcconnell-anti-trump-speech

borntobequiet · 14/02/2021 21:51

[quote maggiethecat]Lindsey Graham essentially rebukes McConnell whom he considers an outlier for his view of Trump and says Trump is the most potent force in the GOP which needs Trump PLUS going forward.

No amount of witnesses brought was going to get another trial result.

www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-mcconnell-anti-trump-speech[/quote]
But that poll tells us that finally Trump is a busted flush (I hope).