Whilst Biden and Harris are busy doing their jobs, there's an Impeachment Hearing going on... (#125)

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Oh FFS they are going on about election fraud
Give 'em their due , they're addressing it all.

But it's embarrassing

Whoops, there it is, cancel culture. I'll give them their dues, they really are very good at gaslighting and double speak.

Everything Trump lawyer saying about Georgia is a lie: signature verification audit in Cobb County GA found two mismatched signatures out of 15,000 votes, zero cases of fraud

Roussette

Also embarrassing..... Unhappy about the word 'find' being taken out of context (it wasn't). But happy to do it with the word 'fight'

And this is not a smooth presentation at all. Not that they care, as they have all the votes they need to acquit. But still, it's very clunky and jarring to watch.

President Trump's lawyers conclude their case, using about 3 of a possible 16 hours to defend Trump in his second impeachment trial. A question and answer session is likely to follow, but Republicans aren't planning to ask any. Trial likely to be finished by tomorrow.

They then had the gall to complain that the impeachment trial was taking time and effort away from dealing with Covid

And van der Veen going How very DARE you call my argument frivolous and try to get me disbarred and make my family destitute?!

Uh, you're not a Public Defender. You could have declined the case when you realised it was a pile of poo instead of trying to sprinkle glitter over it

Did he actually just say that?

"We aren't going to take very long today, because we want you to use the hours to address Covid instead."

Unbelievable

I didn't watch 'live', but I did watch MSNBC during the breaks. All the defense team had to do was give the GOP Senators a wafer thin sliver of a nail to hang their hats on. And it looks like they've done that in spades. Doesn't matter that it's whataboutery and pure bullshit. They'll say how 'convincing' it was, hang their hats on it, and vote to acquit.

It really galls me that Doofus will crow and shout about his 'vindication'. It's not vindication at all, it's the greed and the lack of morals in the Senate GOP.

I agree AcrossthePond55

Its so infuriating. Although I hope the Q&A will be enlightening.

Can I ask a stupid question? Do the house managers and defence team have to answer the questions?
So, if someone asks the defence team "can you explain why you lied about not receiving the house managers presentation before the trail?" - can the defencevteam refuse to answer?

They'll say how 'convincing' it was, hang their hats on it, and vote to acquit.

It seems to be working

Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., notes on the 4th day of the Impeachment trials for President Trump on Capitol Hill today. “The House Managers did not connect the dots to show President Trump knew that the attack on the Capitol was going to be violent and result in the loss of life.”

twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1360329711889612804?s=21

So far Dems are questioning Managers, GOP questioning the defence.
It would be more enlightening the other way around

I am loving some of these q's

'When did Trump exactly learn of the breach of the Capitol and what specific actions did he take and when did he take them. Please be specific'

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

A moment to behold.

Senators Graham, Cruz, Marshall, Cramer: Does a politician raising bail for rioters encourage more rioting?

President Trump's defense team: "Yes."

Defence: There is no time to answer this. The House Managers have given us no time to talk about this. Hearsay plus hearsay and no due process. That was denied.

BS

That was a spectacular non answer from trumps counsel on when he found out about the riot at the Capitol

@Roussette

I am loving some of these q's

'When did Trump exactly learn of the breach of the Capitol and what specific actions did he take and when did he take them. Please be specific'

And they didn't answer blaming lack of investigation. They're Trumps counsel, why didn't they prepare for that?

@Roussette

I am loving some of these q's

'When did Trump exactly learn of the breach of the Capitol and what specific actions did he take and when did he take them. Please be specific'

In response to a Q from Collins and Murkowski about exactly when Trump learned of the breach and what steps he specifically took to end the attack, Van Der Veen says the House managers didn't investigate and didn't give any information on that.

(They did ask Trump to testify).

Van der Veen didn't even try to answer.
He frankly can't be arsed

Sahil Kapur @sahilkapur

Impeachment trial Q&A is like Supreme Court oral arguments in that the questions asked — and who asks them — are more revelatory than the answers.

BruceAndNosh

Van der Veen didn't even try to answer.
He frankly can't be arsed

None of the defence can be bothered. I don't think any of them actually believe what they are saying anyway. They know they have the votes to acquit, so none of this matters to them.

But rep Castro did give evidence that Trump knew that Pence had been taken out, from Sen Turbeville (sp)

It's really frustrating. They keep lying and say that Trump asked them to be peaceful and stop.
He didn't

What a very strange way of carrying out a Q and A. And the presiding bloke's voice! - I keep having to clear my throat