Midwives told to stop using terms such as 'breastfeeding' and 'breastmilk'

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because it’s not gender inclusive language, I believe with particular reference to the transexual debate.

This is at Brighton and Sussex nhs trust btw, good to know NHS money is being spent wisely btw, poring over the “incorrect” use of language.

The word “mother” apparently should not be used on its own; instead “mother or birthing parent” (um, isn’t that a mother?).

Breast milk and breastfeeding is to be replace by “breast/chest milk” or “milk from the feeding parent”. “Woman” should be replaced with “woman or person”.

Gobsmacked.

And back in the real world the report findings into the deaths of 42 babies and 13 mothers over 2 decades at shropshire and telford is out today, it seems £400m a year is needed to improve maternity services and there is now a recognised issue of 'victim blaming' when a baby dies and a serious problem in regards to staffing levels, but hey, lets spend a fucking fortune worrying about the words to use so as not to upset a tiny percentage of 'men' who want to suddenly return to being a woman so that they can give birth.

Yes babes. All this time and money spent on this when the outrage should be for the women and babies dying

And that should be the focus where time and money is spent

@Mockolate

Yes, TRAs are trying to get this done away with too. Father's day is of course, safe

Have not heard of that.
Have you a link?!
Sounds like one of those things "we can't even say Christmas anymore, we have to say Winterval!" if not.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5777644/mothers-day-card-gender-neutral-waitrose/amp/

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mothers-day-cards-go-gender-neutral-nc0rpxf00

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/03/11/a-supermarket-is-selling-a-gender-neutral-mothers-day-card-and-people-arent-happy/

@littlbrowndog

Yes babes. All this time and money spent on this when the outrage should be for the women and babies dying

And that should be the focus where time and money is spent

Absolutely, waste of time, money and energy.

Producing a card which can be given to a caregiver on Mother’s Day. Not all the cards changed, a card added to the range. Can be given to a grandparent, foster carer or any other non-mother. This isn’t a slight to women. Not all children have mothers. Not all children have fathers. Sometimes it’s nice for kids to gift something to a caregiver on Mother’s Day to be like their friends.

Waitrose neutral cards aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.

Trans issue again. Never saw this shit a few years ago.

I used to run a craft club for kids. They made cards ahead of holidays, Mother’s Day, Easter, whatever. There were other non card making options I might add. I had some kids raised as Jehovah’s witnesses who weren’t allowed to celebrate the standard holidays or birthdays. But they did used to make a happy spring card, or a nice card for their parents, just because. Because they wanted to join in with everyone else. It’s nice to have options like that.

@pumpkinbump

Waitrose neutral cards aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.

Trans issue again. Never saw this shit a few years ago.

I wonder how many they actually sell?

@pumpkinbump

Waitrose neutral cards aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.

Trans issue again. Never saw this shit a few years ago.

Why trans? It can be sent to anyone who is a mother figure to the sender. There is absolutely nothing about a card that says 'Happy You Day' that screams transgender.

Far nicer than the usual clumsily worded 'You're like a mother to me' cards that are sold around Mothers Day.

Of course other people can be care givers. But there is only person who gave birth to you and that is your mother. It is not kind to pretend otherwise. Nor is it kind to use confusing and misleading language in public information.

@NiceGerbil

The document says they are going for an inclusive approach- pregnant women and people. It doesn't read very well but I don't mind it. It does indeed include everyone without erasing women.

The breasts thing.

For girls and women breasts are very culturally loaded, they're so sexualised, fetishised really but a fetish seen as normal.

For girls growing up, growing breasts is when they stop getting treated as children and start getting leered at. Girls who are early developers and large breasted women and girls get a lot of shit.

For trans women having breasts seems to be hugely important.

For non binary girls, it's all binders and looking forward to double mastectomy. Non binary, not trans men.

I suspect all of this is why breast feeding is on the no no list. Even though men have breast tissue.

I don't agree that these changes don't erase women. For example, aren't women people too?

Waitrose neutral cards aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.
Trans issue again

So?
They have cards for all sorts now.
Mum and boyfriend
Dad and girlfriend
Or whatever
I just don't buy them as they don't apply to me.
I'd buy Mum and Dad, or Mum for Mothers Day, or Dad for Father's Day.
Same as with if there's any transgender cards - not for me, doesn;t mean they're not for anyone else.

Never saw this shit a few years ago.
So there's more choice so more people can buy a card tailored to their
family set up.
How is that a bad thing?!

Why trans? It can be sent to anyone who is a mother figure to the sender. There is absolutely nothing about a card that says 'Happy You Day' that screams transgender

Good point

@Floisme

Of course other people can be care givers. But there is only person who gave birth to you and that is your mother. It is not kind to pretend otherwise. Nor is it kind to use confusing and misleading language in public information.

Not kind to who? If someone doesn’t have a birth mother in their life, for whatever reason, why can’t a young child say how much they love their granny/foster mother/whoever. If it does not affect you in any way then why do you care?

@NiceGerbil

The document says they are going for an inclusive approach- pregnant women and people. It doesn't read very well but I don't mind it. It does indeed include everyone without erasing women.

The breasts thing.

For girls and women breasts are very culturally loaded, they're so sexualised, fetishised really but a fetish seen as normal.

For girls growing up, growing breasts is when they stop getting treated as children and start getting leered at. Girls who are early developers and large breasted women and girls get a lot of shit.

For trans women having breasts seems to be hugely important.

For non binary girls, it's all binders and looking forward to double mastectomy. Non binary, not trans men.

I suspect all of this is why breast feeding is on the no no list. Even though men have breast tissue.

Sexualised by men, fetishised by men, leered at by men... so women have to rename / reject their body parts?

Of course other people can be care givers. But there is only person who gave birth to you and that is your mother

Not everyone has grown up with, or indeed knows their mum.
So why can't there be inclusive cards for who you have grown up with as your parent?

Not kind to who? If someone doesn’t have a birth mother in their life, for whatever reason, why can’t a young child say how much they love their granny/foster mother/whoever. If it does not affect you in any way then why do you care?

Cross posted and basically said the same.
Yes.
What you said!
We should all be able to give thanks to our parents/caregivers/whoever.
It's a long time since Mum and Dad were the only family set up (even though that's the set up here, I'm aware that it's not for everyone else!

Here is the Waitrose card. I'm sure you'll all agree that it's blatantly aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.

Yeah, not sure where they get "prominently transgender mothers" from that
Probably hoping to create a froth and an "OMG, terrible" response without there being any context.
That's a card that can be sent to anyone who looks after you, you want to send your thanks to.

@Mockolate

Why trans? It can be sent to anyone who is a mother figure to the sender. There is absolutely nothing about a card that says 'Happy You Day' that screams transgender

Good point

It's in the article that it was done for trans people. So another example of how mother's day is being added to, altered muddied. It's bollocks.

On the issue of a forster mother, adoptive mother, female caregiver, it's perfectly acceptable to by mother's day card. The same as it is to buy a father's day card for a male caregiver who is not your biological father.

@saraclara

Here is the Waitrose card. I'm sure you'll all agree that it's blatantly aimed at prominently transgender 'mothers'.

You day isn't mother's day!

It's in the article that it was done for trans people. So another example of how mother's day is being added to, altered muddied. It's bollocks

Sorry, what article? (Genuinely)
A Waitrose one seeing as it's their card?
I'll google if you tell me where you saw it (unless you can link yourself which would be even better then I know I've got the right one)
A "you day" card can be sent to anyone.
Whether trans or not.

Is it ok to use the term "midwives" then?

Like I said, it's in the article. There are a number of you on these threads who come across as deliberately obtuse. I wonder what skin you have in the game. I find it hard to believe you're here for parental advice or concern.