Midwives told to stop using terms such as 'breastfeeding' and 'breastmilk'

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because it’s not gender inclusive language, I believe with particular reference to the transexual debate.

This is at Brighton and Sussex nhs trust btw, good to know NHS money is being spent wisely btw, poring over the “incorrect” use of language.

The word “mother” apparently should not be used on its own; instead “mother or birthing parent” (um, isn’t that a mother?).

Breast milk and breastfeeding is to be replace by “breast/chest milk” or “milk from the feeding parent”. “Woman” should be replaced with “woman or person”.

Gobsmacked.

oops, quoted wrong post!

@Frogartist

Interesting, do they still use the correct worda for male body parts? Should we call them men? "Spermsuppliers"?

Oh no, have no fear. Testicle danglers are still allowed to be called 'men'. Its just us 'uterus havers' that are expected to acquiesce, lest we be called transphobes or TERFs.

If anyone said chest feeding to me or called me a birthing parent I'd bloody well squirt the bitch with some!

Haven't people heard of trans men?

Yes. Nobody has yet to explain how the term breastfeeding is not inclusive though. Do people think men don't have breasts?

even those born without a clear gender

Nobody is born with a gender so that is a moot point.

and biology I forgot to include that

@Frazzzledmrs

It must be a source of great pain that trans women can't biologically conceive,

And? There are plenty of women who can't biologically conceive, I don't know of one that objects to the phrase 'breastfeeding'....

'milk from the feeding parent”

This is very unclear.

Most people refer to formula as milk. In day to day conversation/ talking to the baby. Anyone can give a bottle.

This loss of clarity in order to avoid using offensive words (woman/ female when linked to a female biological act) is terrible from the NHS and other orgs.

A person is birthing when they are actually giving birth, surely.

Language is being mangled.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

I don’t believe this is true.

[quote Shmithecat2]@Frazzzledmrs

It must be a source of great pain that trans women can't biologically conceive,

And? There are plenty of women who can't biologically conceive, I don't know of one that objects to the phrase 'breastfeeding'....[/quote]
Transwomen can conceive naturally. With their sperm.

Just as transmen can conceive naturally with their eggs.

Babies are still breast fed and the birthing parent is always their mother.

Hm. I stand corrected!

Feeders & Breeders, that's how they see us.

Livestock.

@shmithecat2 to be honest most trans people probably aren't offended by breastfeeding either but plenty of people find language around conception and birth difficult, trans or otherwise.

This is despicable.

The is such a nonsense. I still don’t understand the logic of organisations adapting language that makes zero sense! The emperor has no clothes.

@PicsInRed

Feeders & Breeders, that's how they see us.

Livestock.

There's a huge breeding fetish thing online. Appeals to those with a certain identity....

My wheel-chair using daughter doesn't object to the fact that we have sites devoted to 'walks around...x' rather than 'walks and wheelchair outings around...x' - though she is very happy to know where her wheelchair will go
As I sight-impaired woman, I don't object to 'scenic views' as opposed to 'nice places to visit whether you can see them or not.'
We have people who are not mums who visit mumsnet, should be call it 'mums-and-anyone-else-interested-in-similar-stuff-net'
As an old biddy I hang out on gransnet, yet I have no grandkids...

The problem is that some people will feel excluded no matter how far backwards you bend. There may be a reason for that, connected to validation and the reasons validation may never really hit the spot. But why are so many institutions determined to keep bending no matter how far? And why is it always women who have to concur?

Complete lunacy. The emperor has no clothes, indeed.
When is someone going to call out this bullshit as bullshit?

Exactly the same as when I had ds 26 years ago and in the right on SW London hospital, the midwife insisted on referring to my partner. I said I don't have a partner and was asked if I had thought how stressful single parenthood would be. I then got an eyeroll when I said I wasn't a single parent but had a husband to whom I was married. I think I got a lecture about not everyone being married. Signified the exact point when I became Mrs to all health professionals.

I think they are just slightly out of touch with the real world in the big bastion of the NHS where equality rules - not. Always rankles in outpatie to when all the men are called into their apts as Mr so and so and all the women by their first names.

The only way to deal with it is to explain very slowly that you expect your personal preferences to be respected.

Transwomen can't give birth or breastfeed. It's biology. There, I said it.

Now go cry into your cornflakes about your terrible, put-upon life.

So is mastitis now a chest infection?
Because (especially at the moment), I would have thought that "chestpain" and "breastpain" indicate very different issues.