To think that the vast majority of people do not feel they have a gender identity?

[Galvantulang]

My company has recently started suggesting that we can record our gender identity and preferred pronouns (these would be publicly displayed on the intranet) on our HR record system. It's optional for now, but almost everyone I asked at work when the email came out went "eh?".

Apart from the data protection issues of collecting all this extra information, AIBU to think that the majority of people don't consider themselves to have a gender identity, just their sex?

i.e. you don't identify as a man or woman, you just... are one?

Watching laws and amendments to bills being proposed (especially in Scotland) based on recognising gender identity rather than biological sex, seems somewhat unreal.

Um...

Yabu = I feel like I have a gender identity.
Yanbu = I do not feel like I have a gender identity.

DadJoke how exactly do you imagine one "acts as a woman?"

Ive seen so many people say that phrase and none had the balls and they all had balls to explain what they meant by it.

Gender expression and gender identity are not the same thing. "Acting like" a women doesn't mean you identity as a women.

How does someone 'act like a woman'?

oh good another man has come along to tell us that men can be women too.

@Datun

Gender expression and gender identity are not the same thing. "Acting like" a women doesn't mean you identity as a women.

How does someone 'act like a woman'?

I saw a list a bloke posted up on another forum yesterday that included 'having long hair, liking cleaning, liking cooking, crying easily' and various other shite - not a single one described me, despite my being 100% certain I'm a woman.

Was that a joke, VickyEadie?

But having a gender identity- what benefit would I as a women gain

Could if I was one of the 200 million living women and girls gender identify my way out of being subjected to this ?

Or if I was one of the 23 million missing baby girls identify my way out of this

Who do the gender identity benefit ?

Should have said the 200 million girls and women subjected to FGM 🤦‍♀️

Women like cleaning? Christ I've been womaning wrong all my life, I'd happily never clean another thing so long as I live In fact dh does most of it and the cooking because I just can't be arsed.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Was that a joke, VickyEadie?

Not as far as I could tell - it was in response to frequent requests (you know how it goes) for detail on how someone 'lives like a woman'.

I saw a list a bloke posted up on another forum yesterday that included 'having long hair, liking cleaning, liking cooking, crying easily' and various other shite - not a single one described me, despite my being 100% certain I'm a woman.

Yep. Women like cleaning, cooking and crying.

Gender is the means by which it's done.

@Datun

Gender expression and gender identity are not the same thing. "Acting like" a women doesn't mean you identity as a women.

How does someone 'act like a woman'?

That's why I put it in inverted commas. Supposedly "acting like a women" is a gender stereotype.

I have a gender identity

Whether you feel you do or not isn't at all interesting to me

As long as you aren't going to insist that your lack of a gender identity means no one else can possibly have one then whatever

To be clear (and I am sorry I wasn't) I am absolutely against gender being a constraint on dress and behaviour.

Can you define gender please dadjoke?
I don't identify as a women so presumably, according to your logic, I am not one. I'm not sure what it makes me

I feel very much a woman.

@DadJoke

To be clear (and I am sorry I wasn't) I am absolutely against gender being a constraint on dress and behaviour.

Not sure what this means. When you say gender do you mean sex? In that one's sex shouldn't limit one's dress or behaviour?

The only people who don't have a gender identity are people who don't think of themselves as men or women are nonbinary or agender people

'Gender identity' is a term reliant on gender stereotypes. A man cant have a gender identity of a woman, unless he is relying on those stereotypes to inform it.

Unless you have another description?

Identifying as a women and being a women are the same thing

If you answer the question "Are you a woman?" yes, then your gender identity is woman. That's what the words "gender identity" mean

That is not my understanding. "Gender identity" is wording from gender ideology which claims males (or females) can identify as women (or men). Five minutes ago we all knew what we were talking about, but today we seem to have to clarify that if you can answer yes to "are you a woman" that is the same as saying I AM a woman. Adult human female, a sex not a gender.

I would not say I identify as a woman in the same way I would not say I identify as human. I am a woman. I am human.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Identifying as a women and being a women are the same thing.

No, they are not. I am female. I have known I am female since I was old enough to notice there were two types of humans. I don't need to "identify as a woman", I simply am one. Only people who aren't women need to "identify".

"I have always know my gender identity is female" and "I have always know I am female" are semantically the same. That's what gender identity means.

I find the 'I feel like a ' insert gender' so therefore I am' problematic because self ID, by it's very nature, makes a claim on physiological, psychological and socially constructed experiences that you just can not understand unless unless you were born with that genders vagina/penis. It misses a massive point which is we are the sum of our parts and lived experience. I am at a loss as to why that is rejected

I identify as a woman, yes. But I rarely think about it in those terms - cis woman identifying as a woman, there's no internal conflict there for me. If I wasn't at home with the label of woman, then it'd be more to the forefront of my mind.

Similarly, I also identify as an atheist but that's not something I think much about either. I just am what I am.

Companies should do more to make sure their female staff are paid the same as the male staff and less about this bollocks.

You have a sex and a personality. That’s it.

Sounds like a put down/roast 😂

👏😂😂😂

I don't identify as a woman. That to me implies acceptance of some outwardly assigned gender roles.

No I will not do that. I grew up baulking at those sorts of constraints imposed by grandparents.

Or am I missing something?