AIBU to think that women should be able to request same-sex provision?

[Glinner]

The tweet below is astonishing for two reasons. First of all, as the poster points out, this is the NURSING AND MIDWIFERY COUNCIL saying that one's sex is 'assigned' at birth. They said this out loud! As part of their evidence to the GRA enquiry!

But aside from that nonsense, what stood out for me was the number of nurses, midwives and nursing associates whose 'gender identity' does not match their sex. 4,484! That seems like a high number, does it not? I wonder how many of that number are fully intact males?

You might remember when Clare Dimyon requested a same-sex nurse to attend her during her mammogram, the NHS responded in the most extraordinary way--they took her name off the letter and published it in official literature as an example of a 'bigoted' request.

One thing for which we should be grateful to Eddie Izzard: Now we are under no doubt that in many cases 'trans' means, simply, 'crossdresser'. Are these 'trans' nurses, midwives and nursing assistants crossdressers? Are women within their rights to request that crossdressing men not be present during intimate exams and so on? If a woman makes this request, will she be committing a hate crime?

Here's the Clare Dimyon story

glinner.co.uk/interview-with-clare-dimyon-mbe/

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patient-branded-transphobic-after-asking-for-female-medic-3jh3snddt

twitter.com/Sexnotgender_/status/1357034763039686662

So just to be clear, putting a male on a womens ward is not allowed, and the hospital has to report itself for doing it. But if the same male says the magic words, they then belong on the women's ward, and not putting them there has to be reported. Oh, and if the other inhabitants of the women's ward don't like it, they will be 're-educated' or removed. Yep seems reasonable to me

@nothingcomestonothing

So just to be clear, putting a male on a womens ward is not allowed, and the hospital has to report itself for doing it. But if the same male says the magic words, they then belong on the women's ward, and not putting them there has to be reported. Oh, and if the other inhabitants of the women's ward don't like it, they will be 're-educated' or removed. Yep seems reasonable to me

It sounds insane, doesn’t it? How on earth have we come to this?

Feeling sad about it all tonight

WouldBeGood sometimes it's just too depressing to think about. I think we've come to this via some very clever and underhand manouvering by pressure groups, which takes advantage of women's socialisation to 'be kind'.

Nothingcomestonothing you are right and I find that I am ever more resolved to “be kind” to myself and all girls and women first and foremost.

We are often taught as girls to be kind to others before ourselves but being kind to all of womankind would include us too. We must include ourselves in our kindness.

Those women who believe that their worth lies in not minding, in being okay with being uncomfortable (giving up privacy, safety, dignity) should realise that they subject all women and girls to the same fate. It is good to have personal boundaries. Boundaries protect all of us, we can say no and have it respected.

#CONSENT two components = Voluntary and INFORMED

and if you cant access the times,this is pretty close: www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/

Of course we all should be able to

It’s irrelevant how I feel as I can only speak for myself

Why would I object to a trans women (or female not heard the term trans female) if I requested a women - simple answer they are male always were and always will be and I requested a female

I strongly doubt that a letter asking to be seen by a woman was shown as an example of being bigoted. I suspect that the letter may have been referencing a wish not to be treated by trans-women, which is certainly bigoted.

The reference to "intact males" is wierd. Try and spend less time thinking about what is in your nurse's pants, it is really none if your business.

@Stompythedinosaur

I strongly doubt that a letter asking to be seen by a woman was shown as an example of being bigoted. I suspect that the letter may have been referencing a wish not to be treated by trans-women, which is certainly bigoted.

The reference to "intact males" is wierd. Try and spend less time thinking about what is in your nurse's pants, it is really none if your business.

Oh dear. You haven't RTFT have you?

Try and spend less time thinking about what is in your nurse's pants, it is really none if your business

Given the record of assault of vulnerable women by male medical professionals, the sex of their health care professionals is very much a concern for women.

The really sad thing is that men find it easy to consider that rape and sexual assault really don't matter and women should "just get over it", and to consider that women should not think about whether it's possible/likely/a risk in any given situation.

Women on the whole find this insouciance less easy to achieve. Mostly because they have rather a lot of reasons not to.