The Incel Movement (TW)

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NC. Wasn't sure if this was right board (was debating putting it on Feminism) but hopefully this is fine.

Has anyone heard about this Incel movement? I had heard the odd thing about it, but I've been reading a forum on another site - don't want to link it or I might get the post deleted - and the things that have been said have been fucking abysmal.

(Trigger warning here) An example being: "Females only have one worth and it's making babies. If a foid [female humanoid, used to indicate that women are subhuman] can't give birth, she's nothing more than a fleshlight".

For anyone who wants a bit of a TL;DR, Incels, a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates", are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one.

Not read many incel-specific threads on here, but to be honest it's really boiled my piss. Hope I've done the right things with the trigger warnings, wanted to start a conversation around this but hoping not to upset anyone!

Yes I have heard of them, via MN.

I think it’s a very scary trend, especially combined with, and probably linked to, the increasing prevalence of porn centred on violence towards/degradation of women.

There will be a huge number of young men growing up thinking they are entitled to find themselves an ever willing ever submissive fuck bunny - because that’s what they’ve seen in porn long before they ever had an actual relationship. Some of these manage to attract women and end up treating them horribly sexually and otherwise. Some don’t, and end up bitter and woman-hating. Neither is good.

Who on earth are the 7% of voters who think the OP is wrong? Please come on and explain why you support violent misogynists?

The incel movement is worldwide, although the American version gets the most attention as guns are widely available, making it easier for them commit violence.

However, you can find examples in Scotland, Canada and South Korea (off the top of my head). If you want a really terrifying future prediction, look no further than China. Due to the gender imbalance caused by the one-child policy, up to 30 million men may never find a partner. In a society that puts a high emphasis on marriage and stability. On top of that, Chinese women, in general, are opting out of marriage as it damages their career (because of maternity leave) and they are still the default carer for both sets of parents when they age.

It does make me wonder if the drive towards realistic machines/sex dolls is mostly driven by this market?

@TheABC

The incel movement is worldwide, although the American version gets the most attention as guns are widely available, making it easier for them commit violence.

However, you can find examples in Scotland, Canada and South Korea (off the top of my head). If you want a really terrifying future prediction, look no further than China. Due to the gender imbalance caused by the one-child policy, up to 30 million men may never find a partner. In a society that puts a high emphasis on marriage and stability. On top of that, Chinese women, in general, are opting out of marriage as it damages their career (because of maternity leave) and they are still the default carer for both sets of parents when they age.

this is unsustainable and very precarious for China, surely?

It’s become so obvious to me recently that soooo many men hate women. From all walks of life.
Just their attitudes towards sex workers and how they believe they are entitled to sex.
No attractive women want to sleep with them, so they pay to abuse the vulnerable ones, and just outright despise the non-vulnerable ones.

From what I can gather they are highly undesirable heterosexual men/boys who feel 'entitled' to mate with the most desirable women, and because they can't they're in a giant internet sulk - slagging women off as much as possible.

I've been mentoring boys for 20 years and I heard of them a few years ago arounfmd the time of the Elliot Rodger murders.

They were mostly online via Reddit and 4chan and is mostly an American and Asian thing as far as I know.

I could be wrong but the modern twist is that incels and GC feminists are now strange bedfellows (excuse the pun). There's an established crossover of incels and alt right, and there is supposedly crossover with GC and alt right. All are anti-woke and in favour of traditional (white American) values.

@KarensChoppyBob sometimes they're not even highly undesirable (until they're sucked into this mentality).

Many are just young teens who are average looking and average in school and have no confidence. They'd have likely been fine with women if they hadn't been sucked into the movement. They just needed to grow up a bit.

@SkedaddIe

I've been mentoring boys for 20 years and I heard of them a few years ago arounfmd the time of the Elliot Rodger murders.

They were mostly online via Reddit and 4chan and is mostly an American and Asian thing as far as I know.

I could be wrong but the modern twist is that incels and GC feminists are now strange bedfellows (excuse the pun). There's an established crossover of incels and alt right, and there is supposedly crossover with GC and alt right. All are anti-woke and in favour of traditional (white American) values.

Bollocks does any type of feminism overlap with incel ideology. If you think it does then you've sorely misunderstood one of them at least.

The Incel movement is one of the few things that genuinely worry me. It's not just about the fact they bemoan that women don't or won't sleep with them. It's the belief that is is acceptable to wish or even cause them harm.

Their entitlement isn't just to women in general but they have specific expectations that they feel entitled that women should deliberately eschew their chosen partner and give them attention. This isn't railing against superficiality, they genuinely believe we should be forced to sleep with them because it is "fair".

They are partly the extreme extension of in ground entitlement mixed with misogyny, a truly worrying combination.

I actually wish more people discussed the rise of this faction. They are so often dismissed as being just people who feel disenfranchised, and that there are unpleasant people everywhere . In this case they are uniting and their open wishes for women are really frightening.

GC feminism is the polar opposite to incel ideology. GC feminism believes stereotyped gender roles are harmful. Incels want extreme and regressive gender roles to be carried out by both sexes and believes males should have all the power.

I could be wrong but the modern twist is that incels and GC feminists are now strange bedfellows (excuse the pun). There's an established crossover of incels and alt right, and there is supposedly crossover with GC and alt right. All are anti-woke and in favour of traditional (white American) values.

Absolute cack. GC people are the very opposite of Incel ideology, because gender is the poison that Incel and other groups wish to share around. GC usually come from all political backgrounds (many liberal women are being pushed out of left wing politics for disagreeing women should be live by gender identity), incels are the groups most aligned with fundamentalism and religious-esque views of male/female gender roles.

It’s become so obvious to me recently that soooo many men hate women

Only recently? I think I started to realise this when I was about 12 - that was 50 years ago!

And I had a very safe happy upbringing, no abuse, physical or sexual. But it was clear to me how much boys & men despised & were scared of girls & women. How much they wanted to beat us in all aspects of social life.

I could be wrong but the modern twist is that incels and GC feminists are now strange bedfellows (excuse the pun). There's an established crossover of incels and alt right, and there is supposedly crossover with GC and alt right. All are anti-woke and in favour of traditional (white American) values.

Accusations that values and beliefs of GC feminists align with those of the far right are based on lies designed to damage the credibility of the GC movement. Some campaigners have been pragmatic about sharing a platform with conservative groups arguing that the left silences and deplatforms GC voices so they feel they have little alternative if they want to be heard. The two groups have nothing in common.

Can we ignore the blatant attempt at a derail, please?

The whole issue of incel culture is a very interesting one, and a scary phenomenon that women should take seriously, because at the extremes of the movement these men are unhinged and dangerous.

I could be wrong but the modern twist is that incels and GC feminists are now strange bedfellows (excuse the pun). There's an established crossover of incels and alt right, and there is supposedly crossover with GC and alt right. All are anti-woke and in favour of traditional (white American) values

So you think GC women are all alt right racists?
Are you one of those that think we get funded by American religious extremists too?
There is no crossover.

In fact incels have far more in common with TRA's because they can share their hated for us in public now without consequence and a shared goal of removing female sex based rights, taking our very language away to dehumanise and reducing us to nothing but breeding stock.

Funnily enough i was reading a thread on reddit last night. On self improvement and it was a guy saying he is a former incel and red piller and kmew it was toxic and he wanted to change and be happy and not full of hate. Interestingly his replies were full of incels and red pillers trying to drag him back and defend wnd themselves.

Hmm, well, let's consider: what would the general public and legal reaction be to a bunch of people ganging up together to express hate and the right to exploit any population other than females? Think Jews, blacks, etc. Disgusted rejection would be the norm, and in every other case, they would be done on grounds of 'hate speech'. But women and girls don't matter, officially and legally. Disgusting and very dangerous people.

@SkedaddIe yes you are wrong. Hope that helps.

They aren't also pro rape, I believe they want some kind of contract whereby if a woman is on their property, she relinquishes all rights to her body and it's no longer considered rape.

They are very dangerous, disturbed individuals.

It's already been pointed out that there have been several misogynistic mass shootings. Something that hasn't been pointed out is that mass shooters in general, often have a strong misogynist streak and usually have a history of domestic abuse.

If you look at society in general, there has always been a misogynist movement; it's called patriarchy. One in four women will experience DV in her lifetime, there is a proliferation of violent porn, rape stats are unknowable as it is rarely reported and women are currently fighting for their own definition and the right to use their own spaces. Two women a week die at the hands of men because many men hate women. Incel is just another word for woman hater.

They aren't also pro rape, I believe they want some kind of contract whereby if a woman is on their property, she relinquishes all rights to her body and it's no longer considered rape.

If you couldn't retract consent because you were on someone's property, it would still be considered rape though, no?

It's growing as a culture, especially amongst teenage boys. Teacher are being trained to look out for 'incel' behaviour.

Fucking hell!

Haven't read thread yet but the incel movement is blood chilling.

@pissofficiallyboiled

They aren't also pro rape, I believe they want some kind of contract whereby if a woman is on their property, she relinquishes all rights to her body and it's no longer considered rape.

If you couldn't retract consent because you were on someone's property, it would still be considered rape though, no?

Let me explain again:

You are on an incel's property
They get you to sign a contract saying that you have consented to be on their property and therefore, what follows is your choice

Trump's lawyer, a woman, was also talking about a similar sexual contract, waving rights to press charges for rape.

I believe they want some kind of contract whereby if a woman is on their property, she relinquishes all rights to her body and it's no longer considered rape.

That used to fall under 'marriage', did it not? Where legally a husband couldn't rape his wife as she had 'duties'? Rape is rape, I'm not sure how even women-haters/appropriators can legally find a way to 'own' a woman in such a way, if even now (at least in our country) it's not even recognised as a defence within marriage. I'm sure they'll find a way of justifying it though....