That women should not be banned from Social Media for asking the question ( Thread 4)

[Langrycleg]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

I would prefer to see people campaign for mixed sex spaces. At least its honest and people understand what you are talking about
Laws get changed quietly and dishonestly or on the back of other legislation as in Ireland

Fastedbrownie has a child she obviously loves and wants the best for. Unfortunately for her child to get this acceptance a whole group has it's safeguarding removed.
To allow her older child to fulfil their needs she also will have to accept that her younger child will grow up in a world where she will have no right to object to a male with intact genitalia sharing her shower, sleeping accommodation, hospital ward, examining her intimately, searching her at an airport, beating her at every sport and if she is really unfortunate sharing a locked prison cell.
Welcome to our Brave New World little girl !

Medication being licensed for one use is not the same as being licensed and tested as puberty blockers. Spiro has very serious side effects and when it’s used for its licensed reasons it’s as a last resort after everything else has been tried. Medication used off label, normally with adults, is entirely different from use on children who can’t consent when waiting and seeing can involve no medication or associated risks.

To allow her older child to fulfil their needs she also will have to accept that her younger child will grow up in a world where she will have no right to object to a male with intact genitalia sharing her shower, sleeping accommodation, hospital ward, examining her intimately, searching her at an airport, beating her at every sport and if she is really unfortunate sharing a locked prison cell
Welcome to our Brave New World little girl

So participating in the very elevation of feelings and "rights" which is causing problems , they claim to have concerns over.

I dont quite know how a person deals with that tbh. Literally choosing one kid over another here.

@DickKerrLadies

If you feel uncomfortable around males, that's most unfortunate but it's not our problem, and in the same way my sd gets counselling for her issues, perhaps you need some for your own.

So are you saying that you feel that people who feel uncomfortable around males should get counselling so that they can get over it and learn to accept being in a space around males?

Nailed it. What do you think Fastedbrownie?

I'm not in a bubble, I'm in the real world where all that has happened to my family, personally, without any discomfort or awkwardness.

How can you know that nobody who this affected felt discomfort or awkwardness?

Drs and schools are already reporting that girls are not drinking all day in order to avoid toilets. Giving themselves utis. And missing school on their periods due to fears of shanimg

I wonder if fasted dd ends up with a uti becuase boys are in the new gender neutral loosbajdbshe won't go whether she will fight fir her safe space the way she fought for the SD to use girls spaces.

@OldCrone

Hospital wards have long been criticised for not being single sex. You can't deny that most people want and expect single sex spaces.

Yes, we were told they were single sex, but they turned out to be single 'gender'.

Despite the fact that female single sex hospital wards are specifically mentioned in the EA 2010 as reasonable to exclude males.

The NHS do take breaches of single sex accommodation seriously and have a sliding scale of importance where the top priority is single sex accommodation where patients sleep.

Any breach of this is recorded in order to improve things EXCEPT where the breach is caused by placing an opposite sex trans person on a ward. That is not recorded at all. As if it didn’t happen.

Btw, in the definition of trans people they include people who identify as female on a part-time basis. I still don’t understand what possible need those people could have to access female spaces!! They identify as a man half the time yet there are a number of these people who insist they need to use women’s facilities - why?

Yes, we’ve been told that Fastedbrownie’s step child was allowed to be placed in a girls’ residence at a school. From the information, it doesn’t seem as if any of the girls were asked beforehand or asked afterwards how they felt. Are you aware of how the teenage girls felt having a teenage male in their single sex space? Was it all positive, or has nobody bothered to ask them?

@NotBadConsidering

Yes, we’ve been told that Fastedbrownie’s step child was allowed to be placed in a girls’ residence at a school. From the information, it doesn’t seem as if any of the girls were asked beforehand or asked afterwards how they felt. Are you aware of how the teenage girls felt having a teenage male in their single sex space? Was it all positive, or has nobody bothered to ask them?

Considering she was voted head girl by her peers, one can assume it was a positive experience.

I struggle to believe that any parent, would actually tell their dd that David they have known as a boy fir 10 years was suddenly davina that they should just get changed in front if them and stop whining

I'd he interested what fasteds response to an upset dd with a not so nice as SD male in her changing room at school.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Drs and schools are already reporting that girls are not drinking all day in order to avoid toilets. Giving themselves utis. And missing school on their periods due to fears of shanimg

I wonder if fasted dd ends up with a uti becuase boys are in the new gender neutral loosbajdbshe won't go whether she will fight fir her safe space the way she fought for the SD to use girls spaces.

I would talk to the school and ask for the same provision that sd had when in the very early stages of transitioning - use the teacher's toilets. But luckily that's unnecessary because dd and her friends have no issue with transgirls sharing their toilets.

No problem with your child being voted head girl.

Massive problem with your male child using female facilities and thus depriving every female child there of single sex facilities. How bloody selfish can you get?

@HighHeelBoots

The celebrating of trans can only be seen as promotion. I have looked at 2 schools recently for my SN child. Open because of SN Both told me with pride that that had a trans pupil, one said 2. Small schools. In both cases I questioned them about single sex spaces and they both fluffed the reply They didn't tell me they had disabled/lesbian/ethnic minority pupils. Why is this something to be promoted.

It's odd, isn't it? 10 years ago, 'trans children' were unheard of. Now they're everywhere.

I never had problems with people deciding as adults that they wanted to 'live as' the opposite sex until men decided that actually made them women and children started to be taught from a young age that they could actually change sex and that their sex was a choice based on stereotypes and feelings.

And if your child is nice enough, sure, the girls will swallow their own discomfort for the sake of a friend. But what happens when the next, not so nice male decides to use the girls’ facilities?

So you would tell your dd she has to remove herself from her own space ro appease males?

Do you not think that having witnessed the whole family pander to one child that simply being told to put up, shut up or just leave might actually be damaging to her?

You have no problem telling your dd shes less important ?

But luckily that's unnecessary because dd and her friends have no issue with transgirls sharing their toilets.

It's not just about "transgirls", many schools to avoid these issues, because no, not all teenage girls "have no issue", choose to deal with it by making all toilets fully mixed sex, in contravention of the law that over 8 years old in school mixed sex facilities should be single closed cubicle only.

Campaign for the damn third spaces then! The trans boys need them for their own safety, after all.

Fasted says "I would talk to the school and ask for the same provision that sd had when in the very early stages of transitioning - use the teacher's toilets. But luckily that's unnecessary because dd and her friends have no issue with transgirls sharing their toilets."

My jaw is on the floor.

So girls now have to make way for boys. Again. This is truly worrying.

But when there are queues outside the teachers toilets (as my own teen has said there would be) I'm pretty sure the teachers would tell your SD to stop being an entitled narcissist pdq.

You’ve personally interviewed every girl there, have you?

You know the backstory to all rape victims?

I am still fucking furious a year later that DD’s friend who was raped felt apologetic at being uneasy around a trans girl in shared loos.

@DodoPatrol

Campaign for the damn third spaces then! The trans boys need them for their own safety, after all.

Why would we do that? We're not the ones with the problem. If you want them, you campaign for them. We're perfectly happy doing what we're doing and getting on with our day.

dd and her friends have no issue with transgirls sharing their toilets.

You mean "dd and her friends have no issue with boys sharing their toilets."

So as adults they will have no issue with men in women's toilets, because it will seem normal to them.

And are you sure all the girls in the school feel like this? Have you asked them all? Do all the other parents agree? Have you asked them all?

I am still fucking furious a year later that DD’s friend who was raped felt apologetic at being uneasy around a trans girl in shared loos.