That women should not be banned from Social Media for asking the question ( Thread 4)

[Langrycleg]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

You could go and use it with them.

@Quaagars

So, campaign for third spaces....

As has been said though, they don't exist right now so where do people go in the meantime?

Not a reason not to be visibly campaigning for it though is it?

YANBU at all.

I'm pretty sure in most public buildings a third space would be provided on request, it often is in schools for example staff loos. Plus, unlike females who can't use mixed sex spaces, there are the sex based spaces still available.

Yes, exactly. This "third spaces don't exist" is ridiculous. What about the non binary people, many of them want third spaces?

Most people would go to their sexed toilets and have no "need" to go to the "third space"

Well there's plenty of female people queuing up to say they would be delighted to use mixed sex spaces?

But interesting you feel that people prefer single sex spaces and most would wish to avoid mixed sex provision. Why should they be forced to give this up?

No they haven't and all the lesbians I know think it's complete nonsense.

The ones I know don't. I guess it's our respective social bubbles.

You could go and use it with them

Why?
I'm perfectly entitled to be in the female toilets so I'll be staying there thanks.
I can see others feeling the same so if you're trans it could make you feel more kind of "open" to harassment if are the only ones really using it.

Well there's plenty of female people queuing up to say they would be delighted to use mixed sex spaces?

Are there?
OK, but not seen that personally and not on here either.

No they haven't and all the lesbians I know think it's complete nonsense.

And all the dentists I know believe there's no such thing as Tuesdays.

Many lesbians have discussed this on FWR with their own direct experience of dating apps, groups that have gone underground to avoid having to go mixed sex, but if you don't want to believe in it I'm not going to argue with you.

Why?
I'm perfectly entitled to be in the female toilets so I'll be staying there thanks.

Very interesting that you think you're entitled to a single sex female space, even though you're actually advocating for the opposite.

Anyway, I'm breaking my resolution when it comes to you, so will leave it there.

What about the non binary people, many of them want third spaces?

Their trans allies think it's tough shit and the NB people just have to suck it up, I presume, as it seems other trans people don't feel that campaigning for them is worth their time.

It does rather seem that way.

OK, but not seen that personally

Well you could start with Hansard and the female MPs who have argued in parliament that they have no problem with stripping off in mixed sex spaces so no other females should either. That twit who can see souls is one.

But interesting that you are saying that to your experience almost no females want or would use mixed sex spaces if they had any choice about it. I agree. It makes it wrong to me that females should be being pressured to against their consent and to their discomfort, and in some cases their exclusion.

As has been said though, they don't exist right now so where do people go in the meantime?

Not a reason not to be visibly campaigning for it though is it?

I never said it wasn't - of course it's not a reason to be visibly campaigning, that's not what I said

What I did say was

so where do people go in the meantime?
(If there are no third spaces available for clarification)

@MichelleofzeResistance

As has been said though, they don't exist right now so where do people go in the meantime?

I'm pretty sure in most public buildings a third space would be provided on request, it often is in schools for example staff loos. Plus, unlike females who can't use mixed sex spaces, there are the sex based spaces still available.

Haha, yes of course says the Primark shop assistant, I'll just click my fingers and magic up a gender neutral changing room.

Didn't Mhairi Black wear some "you can pee next to me" t shirt?

Anyway, I'm breaking my resolution when it comes to you, so will leave it there

Ok fair enough, crack on then lol

Will do

I'll just click my fingers and magic up a gender neutral changing room

exactly which is why I felt the need to put a clarification If there are no third spaces available in my last post

Haha, yes of course says the Primark shop assistant, I'll just click my fingers and magic up a gender neutral changing room.

Staff loo perhaps. Rather than magical thinking. If you absolutely have to use the loo (or breast feed, or have a disability that means urgent need for privacy) in Primark.

Or sex based provisions.

Staff loo perhaps. Rather than magical thinking.

I can't see shops letting customers use the private staff loos easily, that's definitely not the norm.
If there are no customer toilets available for example and you ask if there are any others you can use, they definitely don't say yes, use the staff ones!
They say they don't have any and direct you across the street to instead!

Primark shop assistant, I'll just click my fingers and magic up a gender neutral changing room.

Sadly, Primark changing rooms are all gender neutral and they do not warn females. I sat directly outside the cubicle my teenager was changing in and a man came and sat to wait for his female friend around the corner.

He could see directly between the curtain and the wall of the cubicle to watch the woman undressing in front of him. I quickly got up and held the curtain for her. He still sat there. I couldn't leave or say anything lest it freak out my teenager.

I complained and was told that everything was just as it should be and that 'I' had the issue not them. Even though they are only supposed to allow this if there is floor to ceiling cubicles with lockable doors.

So, yes. j j Primark does have gender neutral changing rooms. Again, thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss it.

@MichelleofzeResistance

No they haven't and all the lesbians I know think it's complete nonsense.

And all the dentists I know believe there's no such thing as Tuesdays.

Many lesbians have discussed this on FWR with their own direct experience of dating apps, groups that have gone underground to avoid having to go mixed sex, but if you don't want to believe in it I'm not going to argue with you.

The claim was that it's trans ideology that any lesbian who won;t have sex with a trans women with a penis is a transphobe, that's very different from a small number of lesbians not liking trans women being included in the lesbian community or lesbians social groups - that's been going on ever since lesbian seperatists were sending Sandy Stone death threats in the 70s for being a member of a lesbian music collective.

And I assume the sex of the man in Primark. I could be misgendering them, of course. But they are definitely 'gender neutral'.