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The Bin man who was sacked for kicking the head off the Snowman.....

405 replies

TheQueef · 31/01/2021 13:27

Would you have reported?
I'm not a fan of reporting for reporting sake so this has shocked me.
Just what outcome was expected by sending footage to his bosses?

YABU = he deserves to lose his job.
YANBU = it's batshit he kicked a snowman.

Soz if there has been a thread already.

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kittylion2 · 31/01/2021 13:37

Forgot to say - it reminded me of an incident years ago when I opened my front door and saw the bin man just having a drink of milk. After he had legged it I realised he had pinched it off my doorstep. I went looking for him and spoke to the supervisor who immediately said that none of his team would do that. Hmm I had just SEEN him do it!

willFOURbagsbeenough · 31/01/2021 13:39

Is there really no better picture of this man or is he one of those men who is permanently of his dick?

The Bin man who was sacked for kicking the head off the Snowman.....
Brunt0n · 31/01/2021 13:40

Nah not feeling any sympathy for this guy

“Last July he was slapped with a 12-month community order, 120 hours of unpaid work and ordered to pay £250 for attacking a barman and headbutting two police officers in a drunken rage.”

Sounds like he’s got issues

SupermarketStress · 31/01/2021 13:40

The compo face on that overweight kid has made me laugh for a few days though!

But seriously, what entitled message are the parents sending to “wee Jimmy” or whatever his name is? “Oh don’t worry, we have it on film, the bad man will get sacked” Hmm

corythatwas · 31/01/2021 13:40

If he came across as quite aggressive, then I could see why they asked the agency not to send him again. They had him on CCTV so it wasn't just their word against his. The agency may have been influenced in their decision by his general anger issues: this is the same man who according to the Mirror had previously been in trouble for attacking a barman in the summer and headbutting police officers and threatened to strangle a police officer. It is possible that there had been other complaints or that the agency found him difficult to work with in general.

sapnupuas · 31/01/2021 13:41

I thought it was unnecessary but he was a prick about it after and refused to apologise so fuck him.

gannett · 31/01/2021 13:41

Going out of your way to try to make someone lose their livelihood is a far more despicable act than kicking a snowman.

What this boils down to is that some people absolutely need to feel that others, especially in service industries, are beneath them and at their mercy. It's a contemptible way to think.

minniemango · 31/01/2021 13:42

I'd be pretty annoyed if my kids were watching the bin men and one of them kicked their snowman apart.

It's the kind of thing you'd expect a stupid teenager to do not a grown man.

Sacking him is harsh but that's not really the family's fault. Blame the agency for that.

Tigger85 · 31/01/2021 13:43

He hasn't been sacked he's an agency worker, the council told the agency they don't want him back. The guy has a history of assault, Google his name and you will see he assaulted a Wetherspoon's staff member and two police officers last summer and is known to have an attitude problem. He is making himself unemoyable with his behaviour.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 31/01/2021 13:43

Well Callum sounds like a delightful young man. Bets wishes to the mother of his child. May she make better decisions from now on.

DimidDavilby · 31/01/2021 13:44

Spiteful and childish. I wouldn't get away with behaving like that at work, would you?

The bar for men is so fucking low.

Tiktokersmiracle · 31/01/2021 13:44

I think it's the fact he did it in full uniform in front of a child.
If you're in a uniform, you are representative of the company you work for. So if you conduct yourself the way he did, without a full contract and as an agency employee, you have really brought it in yourself.
It was a childish thing to do, and he refused to apologise. So he lost his job.

willFOURbagsbeenough · 31/01/2021 13:45

Going out of your way to try to make someone lose their livelihood is a far more despicable act than kicking a snowman.

Who do you think went out of their way to have him sacked? The mother of the child probably just complained about what he had done. I highly doubt she intended to have him sacked! It was the company that decided not to have him back after he swore and refused to apologise.

AhFiddledeedee · 31/01/2021 13:45

I think it's a really shitty thing to do, but not get sacked for it.

However, reading the thread, if he had the opportunity to apologise and refuse then that is even worse.

If he was agency staff and not an employee, I wouldnt ask him back to work for me either. Sounds like he's got some serious anger issues if the bar fight incident is true

PuzzleRocks · 31/01/2021 13:45

Having read the article he's clearly a thug. No sympathy.

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TheQueef · 31/01/2021 13:45

Sums up my thinking perfectly Gannett

Checking the cctv to see what happened to a snowman is already outside my reactions but to make the call?
I can't reckon it up.

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willFOURbagsbeenough · 31/01/2021 13:46

It's the kind of thing you'd expect a stupid teenager to do not a grown man.

He is a stupid teenager, not a grown man.

PegasusReturns · 31/01/2021 13:47

It was a mean thing to do and I wouldn’t employ someone who behaved so inconsiderately.

I think the council were right to take the same stance.

NotFabulousDarling · 31/01/2021 13:47

He sounds like a twat. But he didn't get sacked. It was agency work. If you work for an agency, you have to accept that your behaviour on the job will determine whether you get to work again. They can just decide not to bring you in again. Maybe if he didn't want this outcome he shouldn't have been an arsehole and gone around upsetting children with violent behaviour. If someone did that to my LO's snowman, I'd feel really intimidated, it's aggressive behaviour to go around kicking things, especially when your job takes you to people's homes. It doesn't matter that the snowman would melt, it wasn't his to kick apart. Cars rust but that doesn't give people carte blanche to smash them up, either.
What worries me is he seems like exactly the sort of arsehole to go back to the house and smash the windows or something now he's been reported.

whatsmyusername · 31/01/2021 13:47

With the full circumstances and the attitude he appears to have I wouldn't want him working for me. The fact its a snowman is irrelevant, it was the action he took and it is an unkind aggresive thing to do.

Doingitaloneandproud · 31/01/2021 13:48

No sympathy for him whatsoever. And as for him saying he's got a baby due, maybe he needs to go to anger management.
It's not about the snowman, he assaulted people back in June because he wasn't allowed in the pub. He kicked the head of the snowman because he was annoyed it was in the way. He refused to apologise and then threatened his boss.
He's got a load of growing up to do before that baby comes.

Rowenasemolina · 31/01/2021 13:48

It wasn’t because he kicked a snowman. It was because he deliberately destroyed the hours long creation of a 3 year old boy in front of him, and left him distraught

MarthaWashingtonsFeralTomcat · 31/01/2021 13:48

Going out of your way to try to make someone lose their livelihood is a far more despicable act than kicking a snowman.

But have they gone out of their way? As far as I can tell they've shared the images on social media of an agency worker who, as that time, was representing the council in a pajd and visible role, behaving thuggishly, violently (and the original kung fu kick is one thing, but watch from 40 seconds or so the way he pounds on the snowman with a series of kicks) and downright spitefully.

He refused to apologise and so hasn't been invited back to the council via the agency. He hasn't lost his job. He hasn't been given ongoing work. It is no doubt shit on a personal level for him but he hasn't been "sacked".

That is unfortunately the way it is with agency work. When I worked for agencies, we all knew to make a good impression so we'd be asked back. It's not rocket science.

AStudyinPink · 31/01/2021 13:49

It was on their path and he did it in front of the kid. Usually I’d say so what but he shouldn’t be causing damage to other people’s property, snowman or not.

TwelvePaws · 31/01/2021 13:49

So he wasn't sacked then. He behaved stupidly whilst representing the council, not surprisingly they’ll choose to get another person to do the job who will represent them better.

I wouldn’t have reported him but if I saw him do it, I’d have said something. I certainly wouldn’t sign a petition to get him the job back.

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