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To have become a Brexiteer yesterday?

772 replies

Mentum · 30/01/2021 08:28

I was so Remain, I was devastated when we left. But the EU trying to steal our vac and casually invoking Article 16 has really left me aghast. I can't believe they are lashing out this way, I don't understand why.

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Hammonds · 30/01/2021 10:07

Watch out for the incoming personal insults OP!

OP - ‘I’m a brexiteer’
Lovely educated remainers - your thick! Your rabid! Your an idiot!

Sigh..

Hammonds · 30/01/2021 10:09

Miljea what evidence of that do you have?

DdraigGoch · 30/01/2021 10:10

Longer term, the EU will seek to keep its very best scientists in the EU, not going to Oxford,
How will it do that? The last time that a European country tried to stop talent leaving, it involved building a wall through the middle of Berlin.

Incidentally, when the EMA was relocated to the continent from London, most of the staff decided that they'd rather not go and the UK has made good use of their talents since.

Bluethrough · 30/01/2021 10:10

[quote Blessex]@Frazzled2207 the problem is that we didn’t really hold much influence when we were part of said corrupt organisation. The fact Cameron was sent home tail between legs showed as much.[/quote]
Cameron got 4 of the 5 things he asked for, the problem was he asked for so little.
He couldn't get much movement on FOM but then again, we have just invited 5m HK to come to the UK, so obviously immigration isn't a concern.

Blessex · 30/01/2021 10:10

@Miljea oh do go and read the vaccine facts and stop scaremongering. I can’t even be bothered to repeat all the facts as we have gone through this many times on other threads.

Hammonds · 30/01/2021 10:11

Miljea my family members who were entitled to it have all had their two jabs.

Stilltalkstotrees · 30/01/2021 10:11

Yes yabu. The referendum was decided on 24/6/16, we left the EU on 31/1/20 and transitioned to the new relationship on 31/12/20. Becoming a brexiter now is ridiculous.

Blessex · 30/01/2021 10:11

@Hammonds clearly @Miljea knows better than all the experts and scientific papers published on this matter.

GameSetMatch · 30/01/2021 10:13

You need to remember there are two sides to every story and the UK only publish half the story as do the EU. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, the EU are not nasty people just like we aren’t.

nannybeach · 30/01/2021 10:13

Boris didnt kill anyone, people insisted on having Christmas it was plainly obvious what would happen then.No doubt people will now insist on Easter, then next lockdown

Iknowwhatudidlastsummer · 30/01/2021 10:14

The EU is protecting its interest. Why on earth do you think the UK is so special that they should help when UK is very clearly fighting their corner?

It's like expecting a divorcing woman to insist on sharing inheritance or lottery win with her ex instead of her own children, when the ex-husband has already moved on with another woman 😂

ChancesWhatChances · 30/01/2021 10:14

You’re a wee bit daft in the head if that’s what’s changed your mind about the EU Hmm

lavenderlou · 30/01/2021 10:15

I was a staunch remainder and still would far rather be an EU member. I think using article 16 over the vaccine issue was a bad call and I'm glad it was re-thought.

However, I am fed up with "vaccine nationalism". Covid is global, it crosses borders. The only way things will get better for any of us is for as many people across the world being vaccinated. This requires all countries and organisations like the EU to co-operate and work together, not squabble. It's also going to include wealthier nations subsidising vaccination for poorer nations around the world.

I think ordering vaccines was one of the few things the UK appears to have done well during the pandemic. But we've massively over-ordered and need to think about ways that any excesses can be diverted when necessary.

Bluethrough · 30/01/2021 10:15

Longer term, the EU will seek to keep its very best scientists in the EU, not going to Oxford
How will it do that? The last time that a European country tried to stop talent leaving, it involved building a wall through the middle of Berlin

By creating the funding, facilities and salaries attractive enough to keep talent in the EU, i think the same will apply to HCP's.

They'll have too, its yet another lesson from Covid. Not just eU RoW too.

ilikebooksandplants · 30/01/2021 10:16

@OlympicProcrastinator not true actually. I am a hardline remainer. I think the result of the referendum and the last four years have been a disaster for Britain. They will be a disaster for Britain for a long time to come.

I think the EU is wrong on this issue though. They have behaved very badly, particularly in relation to the Irish/northern Irish border.

It is possible to hold the EU accountable for the things I think are wrong and believe we should not have had a referendum to leave. You are absurd to think otherwise.

ChancesWhatChances · 30/01/2021 10:16

And @Hammonds really? What jab would that be then? The one rolled out in December where there’s a 3 month gap between receiving the 2nd vaccine? Cause it’s only January, 3 months haven’t passed yet.

DdraigGoch · 30/01/2021 10:21

then again, we have just invited 5m HK to come to the UK, so obviously immigration isn't a concern.
Hong Kong is a former British territory where the populace are now being oppressed by a brutal communist dictatorship. Of course we are right to open our doors to British Nationals in need.

cdtaylornats · 30/01/2021 10:22

I wonder what Biden will have to say about the EU threatening to break the Good Friday Agreement?

Merkel is nearly gone.
It worries me that Macron is now trailing in the polls to the odious Marie Le Pen.

Mentum · 30/01/2021 10:22

ilikebooksandplants I hope you are right and the EU is held accountable by its citizens. The bigwigs in the Commission need to take responsibility for their appalling mistake on vaccines. I don't see how though. We have elections every 5 years. How do you kick out UvdL?

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AgentJohnson · 30/01/2021 10:23

What do Macron and Merkel have to say over the debacle?

The Germans are in hot water because they made their own contacts outside of the EU and the French aren’t in any great hurry because the French are the most sceptic about the Covid-19 vaccines.

This is posturing because member states are getting heat from their citizens about the slow rollout. Just like when BoJo said he would renege on the agreements we made with Europe. Once the hyperbole recedes they will come to an agreement. No one would benefit, particularly EU, from the EU following through with this (empty) threat.

Try telling the fishermen, the hauliers, the Welsh ports etc (who are being buried by the consequences not being in a free trade agreement) that Brexit was a good idea. Or students who can no longer take part in the Erasmus programme. I could go on.

The government simply over promised and will temporarily throw a few quid at interest groups who shout the loudest but long term hells no. Covid-19 and the black hole that it now at the centre of the nation’s finances, has presented the perfect get out jail card for the government to let businesses and communities fend for themselves.

OP if this is the hill you would die on, then knock yourself out but after the dust has settled on this particular spat, there will be many situations where being outside of EU wil be to our detriment. You have to laugh at all those expats in Spain who voted leave, who are slowly realising that residency in Europe was only a right when we were part of the union.

Hammonds · 30/01/2021 10:26

@ChancesWhatChances

And *@Hammonds* really? What jab would that be then? The one rolled out in December where there’s a 3 month gap between receiving the 2nd vaccine? Cause it’s only January, 3 months haven’t passed yet.
Yes. 18th of December and the 9th of January my granny was done. She carries the card in her purse.
Lonelycrab · 30/01/2021 10:27

However, I am fed up with "vaccine nationalism". Covid is global, it crosses borders. The only way things will get better for any of us is for as many people across the world being vaccinated. This requires all countries and organisations like the EU to co-operate and work together, not squabble

This, completely.

Mentum · 30/01/2021 10:29

AgentJohnson you are right. Fishermen and hauliers have been treated as an afterthought. I hope that we can all dial down the temperature and come to some practical simplifications.

But I was wrong to automatically see the EU as 'the good guys'. Vaccines are not about money or paperwork, they are much more important. I will have to try to be more critical of my own views.

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Crystal90567 · 30/01/2021 10:29

The EU were corrupt and unbureaucratic. Glad you've seen the light.