To have become a Brexiteer yesterday?

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I was so Remain, I was devastated when we left. But the EU trying to steal our vac and casually invoking Article 16 has really left me aghast. I can't believe they are lashing out this way, I don't understand why.

@Bluethrough ha. I am a softie. After this nightmare all back to mine for a well deserved knees up!

You weren't very far on the remain side if this has swung it

@daisyjgrey I was

@FOJN

HmmSureJan Blessex

Wow, a reasonable resolution to a misunderstanding.

Have either of you thought of offering dispute resolution services to the EU, they could use some help.

😇 😇

Me and @Blessex

@HmmSureJan and we shall invite many of our EU friends and my Dutch DH

@cam77 yes sure eu are on same platform as china and usa .
If britain is so shit why did they want them in the first place and when it was leave , why not make the process to leave easier , if an organisation is that great , people don't want to leave

@Blessex some on here don't think any europeans have an issue with the eu, yet on my extensive working with people across europe I have found people on both sides and then those that just don't care at all .

In other words - are you better off inside the tent pissing out, or outside the tent being pissed on

As In being pissed on by the EU? So you’d rather stay with a group of people who would piss on other nations than being pissed on by them? Isn’t that how school bullys recruit their followers?

Well, we aren’t in school, we’re in the real world. But if it helps you to think about it like that, then yeah, imagine the EU as a bully. Then imagine Russia and some of the Middle Eastern countries as the kids who bring knives to school. And the U.K. as the kid who got kicked out of the bully’s gang and is now standing by himself in the corner clutching his lunch money.

There’s a reason Russia interfered in the referendum...

@donewithitalltodayandxmas yep and I think brexit has made a lot of EU members think. My BIL mentioned Nexit to me last night. First time I had heard that.

Moderna have yesterday revised their delivery order to EU for February which is why they're going for a perceived easy target of UK/AZ.

25% down on what they're expecting in Feb to the EU from Moderna.

Are they threatening Moderna? No, bullies always choose victims they think are in a weaker position - maybe they've misjudged the outcome.

www.ft.com/content/bb514eed-3be8-411a-b1c4-255dc569bae5

"Vaccine manufacturer Moderna has told Italy and France it will deliver fewer doses than expected in February, in another blow to struggling coronavirus vaccination plans in the EU."

just put this on wrong thread, thought was posting here.

@EileenGC

Brexit will still hit us very hard, but yesterday's actions were not those of a trustworthy partner.

The EU isn't UK's partner anymore.

It's like people expected Brexit to happen an no retaliation from the EU to follow, ever.

Retaliation? Leaving doesn't mean instant enemies.

@EileenGC - see my link above re. Moderna order 25% down for February than EU were hoping for - they're flailing and lashing out - at Moderna? no at the UK and the at cost AZ vaccine.

Weird that people think they'd want to be part of an entity that is prone to school ground behaviour. The reason it may have suited Russia for us to leave is because UK to the wider world are seen as a more reasonable voice preventing the EU behaving exactly how they are now. Publishing contracts etc who will ever trust the EU for business in the future?

The EU will descend into the blame game closer to home sooner rather than later, was always going to happen and the UK are well out of the collapsing of the dream of a super state and hopefully back to a more manageable free trade area with individual countries back with control over their own destiny.

@Buddytheelf85

In other words - are you better off inside the tent pissing out, or outside the tent being pissed on

As In being pissed on by the EU? So you’d rather stay with a group of people who would piss on other nations than being pissed on by them? Isn’t that how school bullys recruit their followers?

Well, we aren’t in school, we’re in the real world. But if it helps you to think about it like that, then yeah, imagine the EU as a bully. Then imagine Russia and some of the Middle Eastern countries as the kids who bring knives to school. And the U.K. as the kid who got kicked out of the bully’s gang and is now standing by himself in the corner clutching his lunch money.

There’s a reason Russia interfered in the referendum...

Ok............

....as clever as a move as saying you'd send navy ships to protect fishing....pathetic times really....

They made a mistake, they rectified it. They threatened a hard border on the island of Ireland for 5 hours. The Tory Party threatened it for 5 years. Brexit was still a terrible idea.

They made a mistake, they rectified it.

Have they sorted the vaccine issue?

And it's not that long ago that Johnson threatened to trigger Article 16.

Never thought I would ever agree with George Galloway on anything, but we're living in surreal times.

I have to admit that I’m now rethinking my position on Brexit following the last 24 hours. I was shocked at the actions of the EU Commission whilst being relieved when they backed down. I’ve also been impressed by how well we’ve done in obtaining these vaccines.

However, I think we need longer than one month to make a proper judgement. There clearly are issues resulting from the deal being felt in Northern Ireland.

I don’t know the full story as to what has and hasn’t happened, so I’m very cautious about the headlines.

But we aren’t in the EU now so what did people expect?

When I’ve got time, I’m going to read into this properly to find out what actually is going on.

If Brexit has taught me anything, it’s not to believe everything you read in the media.

In six months when vaccines have rolled out and lockdowns have ended

the UK will still be on the same terms with the EU as Morocco
and
at the suggestion of the UK Government
lots of British companies will have moved to the EU
leaving their British staff behind
result

Floppywin

So as I understand it, Astra Zeneca is in deep doodoo because it has over-promised supplies to a number of customers who are desperate for their product.

In those circumstances wouldn't any company:

1. Cite production delays (which they have done)

1. Allocate product in proportional fashion (are they doing this?)

1. Or they allocate in a first come, first served fashion? (are they doing this?)

Surely it all comes down to the terms of the contract. Even the lawyers disagree : www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/30/lawyers-disagree-over-astrazenecas-duty-to-supply-vaccines-to-eu

And thanks for explanation about pricing below and for Guardian link. That's an interesting article. I understand the timeline of the dispute what I don't understand (to quote from same article is this):

"The EU’s joint approach may have secured lower prices and guarantees, but it came at the expense of speed – and at such a critical moment, it can only watch as the UK, which paid the full price, is benefiting from its early orders."

Can you or anyone else explain how it is possible to secure a "lower price" or a "full price" given that it is a not-for-profit product being sold at cost price?

Macron may as well throw himself on the floor howling and pull at his hair. It's a wonder he isn't picked up and plonked on the naughty step for some time out

Very possibly he will be ... one of the benefits of marrying the woman who was your schoolteacher and old enough to be your mother

@ListeningQuietly can you link to where the goverment have advised uk companies to move abroad?
I read this on another thread and couldn't find any references there either ?

Will astra zeneka take action? Its dreadful pr for them, muddies the water and the eu have leaked that contract containing confidential details!

They are not making a profit, apparently, why would they want to continue to use eu as a base?.. Will other large companies be watching these events and having second thoughts?..