To have become a Brexiteer yesterday?

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I was so Remain, I was devastated when we left. But the EU trying to steal our vac and casually invoking Article 16 has really left me aghast. I can't believe they are lashing out this way, I don't understand why.

@tttigress

Definitely think Macron has lost the plot, seems like a child having a tantrum.

Yes he may as well throw himself on the floor howling and pull at his hair. It's a wonder he isn't picked up and plonked on the naughty step for some time out.

@zoemum2006 - you must have been asleep all of yesterday. You sound like you are so behind the news it's laughable. Read up a bit first?

Trample roughshod over Irish sensitivities and a carefully managed agreement almost as though they don't give a shiny shit about anyone but themselves.................oh wait

Their behaviour towards the Irish has been astonishing. Utterly extraordinary.

Hopefully the scales have fallen from Irish eyes but I'm not sure we'll see a lot of soul searching going on tbh.

The Irish establishment, commetariat and media are too heavily invested in the EU.

Micheal Martin... What a coward.

I actually think someone got fed up and in a moment of rage made this order. Then calmed down and took it back.
It was a stupid thing to do, but than again, the UK has acted like an obnoxious child in the past 2-3 yrs of negotiations, throwing tantrums,... someone had enough....

Why did the EU release a statement to clarify? yep all fake news.

It was a stupid thing to do, but than again, the UK has acted like an obnoxious child in the past 2-3 yrs of negotiations, throwing tantrums,... someone had enough....

Enough of what. The EUs mistake on the vaccines isn't to do with the UK.

It was a stupid thing to do, but than again, the UK has acted like an obnoxious child in the past 2-3 yrs of negotiations, throwing tantrums,... someone had enough....

So it was the UK’s fault the EU put an order in 3 months after? How? How is it the UK’s fault?

EU's biggest spokesman below (he wouldn't accept the democratic result and demanded another referendum - ( sounds like someone we know in the US? )

Campbell on twitter feed last night says (Zoe was snoring through this, but wakes up fired to tell everyone it didn't ever happen).

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
European Commission needs to undo its Article 16 mistake fast. Shame we can’t undo the bigger mistake that led to its birth.
9:46 PM · Jan 29, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

"Surely though had the Eu ordered far earlier, the amount of vaccine would still be same now?
Just that we would have had less and them more"

No the factory making the uk order is in the uk, it started ramping up production 3 months before the factories in Europe.

So all the problems that come up when expanding capacity (equipment needs designing, ordering, to be made, to be installed, and calibrated, wiring needs doing and certifying, staff need training) came up 3 months ealier.

Had the eu started the same time they would have fixed the problems by now and be hitting targets and thered just be more vaccine for everyone.

But they didn't and they arnt just like the uk didn't at fire.

I voted brexit and will admit recently its been affecting my business and I was feeling a bit like a turkey who voted for Christmas.

To be fair though I knew it wouldn't be plain sailing and I never voted because of what the EU had done, but what they could potentially do on a bad day in the future.

I never saw the pandemic coming when I voted but it has assured me I made the right choice even though my life is more difficult in the short term.

It was a stupid thing to do, but than again, the UK has acted like an obnoxious child in the past 2-3 yrs of negotiations, throwing tantrums,... someone had enough....

Fuck me, we made them do it? It's the defence of every abuser.

If you're not capable of controlling your temper then politics might be the wrong job for you. Frustration is not an acceptable excuse when the stakes are so high.

In other words - are you better off inside the tent pissing out, or outside the tent being pissed on

As In being pissed on by the EU? So you’d rather stay with a group of people who would piss on other nations than being pissed on by them? Isn’t that how school bullys recruit their followers?

@Floppywin it seems like the whole world got it wrong except zoe

EU spent three months trying to get a better price as a bloc from a not for profit vaccine.

This sums up the EU for me: totally incapable of common sense.

I’d have to loved to have been a fly on the wall when they were discussing putting the contract on line. It’s really weird. I wonder who’s idea it was

So all the problems that come up when expanding capacity (equipment needs designing, ordering, to be made, to be installed, and calibrated, wiring needs doing and certifying, staff need training) came up 3 months ealier

Well, i guess that then begs the question "Why didn't AZ do the EU factories earlier?" they knew the pre ordered amounts from the eu - 400m, they knew the trial data was good.
and they used the factories in the eu to supply the UKs first doses, so clearly they had them up and running by december, the issues seem to have come later on?
which would have happened regardless of when the vaccines were ordered, which is what their CEO also said.

None of the above though is defending the EU, they've been shockingly bad.

If the EU leadership did the A16 yesterday, they should step down and member states/MEPs appt a new commission.

However, i'd also like BJ to step aside after our 100k plus deaths, he won't and the EU commission won't either :(

‘They are not British nationals, in the sense that most people would interpret that, most have never set foot in the UK or even speak english.
this idea they are all young professionals is wrong, many are working class, inc very young children, elderly parents.

Its a crazy idea, we do not have the transport housing schools health service etc etc to accommodate up to 5m people.’

Wow bluethrough that’s just what brexiteers have been told they think - you know, thick racists that don’t want any furriners coming over.

@Bluethrough maybe cos the EU hadn’t even signed the vaccine off so they prioritised those that had. I mean put yourself in that job

@Bluethrough and we have to have some critical thinking on our deaths

• obesity
• BAME percentage
• population density
• how we count COVID deaths
• transparency on numbers

Etc etc

Ah the severity of flu deaths in 2019

I am an intelligent Oxford educated European who has been married twice. Once to an Italian and now to a Dutch man. I travel a lot. My children are bilingual. I voted remain. And over this last 6 months I am thinking hmmmm maybe better we are out of the EU.

Genuine question for any experts. For all those criticising the EU about price negotiations; why does a not-for-profit vaccine not have a fixed price?

Isn't it just cost price?

which I assume would fluctuate.
I used to work in buying we could have 2 pairs of the exact same jeans but if one was made in Turkey & one in Egypt the cost would be different.