AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 2

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:
“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

I take it sweetpetrichor is one of the minority (when I last looked) who would answer the OPs question with a YABU/yes
“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”

Half of the male born prisoners who declared themselves transgender in 2019 were sentenced for at least one sexual offence. This data came from a freedom of information request to the Ministry of Justice.

Is it still bigotry to say there is no threat to women if they were to be placed in womens` prisons?

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

[quote SweetPetrichor]@Idratherberude how about ACAS then...do you trust them. There’s some pretty clear cut outlines regarding what you can and can’t do towards transgender staff, in line with aforementioned act.

I don’t think you or anyone else’s ignorance or bigotry flies here. The be all and end all of the point that I stupidly tried to make is that a trans woman can use female facilities and you can do nothing about that, thankfully. God I’m glad the rest of the world isn’t MN. I think you lot belong back in the Stone Age...although honestly, they probably treated people better back. [/quote]
Can you present these guidelines please? With a link, thank you.

Like almost every other GC woman, I was a huge cheerleader for trans rights - which we all know they have the same human rights as every other person.

It was by looking deeper and being less ignorant which made me realise that the privileges which some people (like yourself it seems) are demanding, are only possible by removing the rights of women.

Before I post and risk deletion, am I allowed to point out the other forum where women can discuss their concerns (KF)? There is some eye opening reading on there.

The ‘question’ is just another way of saying:

Are trans women really men and should we treat them as men whether they have a penis or not?

It’s an obfuscated way of saying TWAM.

The question is perfectly clear. It's talking about sex in a context where segregation by sex (not 'gender') is allowed according to EA exemptions.
No 'obfuscation' whatever.

I don’t think you or anyone else’s ignorance or bigotry flies here. The be all and end all of the point that I stupidly tried to make is that a trans woman can use female facilities and you can do nothing about that, thankfully. God I’m glad the rest of the world isn’t MN. I think you lot belong back in the Stone Age...although honestly, they probably treated people better back.

Yeah... That kind of shit doesn't work around here I'm afraid. Trying to raise 'lady doubt' by gaslighting women into thinking they are the crazy, bigoted ones for not believing that a male can ever be a woman.

Perfectly clear. Yes.

Isn't it odd how 'bigoted' we all are? How bigoted every single human anatomy and physiology textbook is? How bigoted and ignorant every single teacher of biology is? Hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution is suddenly wrong?
TW are TW. They are not women. They are trans woman. They are biological males. They are XY. They produce small gametes. Every cell in their body is coded as male forever. Is any of that wrong? I believe in science based undeniable and unchangeable facts, not undefinable feelings.
I also believe in respect for TWs, including preferred pronouns, equal rights etc.
But not at the expense of the erosion of my language, sex based rights and freedoms.

and you can do nothing about that

This is the telling bit of that statement.

Remind who is being oppressed again?

*me

Pole, I lurk there occasionally because they're not afraid to talk about issues on which both traditional media and social media enforce silence (the case of JY in Canada brought me to it) and I wouldn't really recommend KF as a place for earnest discussion of any topic, let alone women's concerns! Though I will say that to their credit, many posters there acknowledge the practical harms of gender identity policies. Nevertheless, they are free speech absolutists, and exist chiefly to poke fun at outrageous behavior, especially online behavior. This combination of course attracts some stuff that most of us would find extremely offensive.

If women are interested in woman-focused forums that don't censor language around sex and female rights, I really recommend Spinster.xyz (format is sort of Twitter like) and Ovarit (more traditional web forum founded by the former r/GenderCritical moderators who, along with 65,000 concerned women and allies, were purged from Reddit not long ago.

@turbonerd

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@OvaHere

and you can do nothing about that

This is the telling bit of that statement.

Remind who is being oppressed again?

Telling indeed. It rather puts me in mind of this janeclarejones.com/2020/07/22/tras-rape-logic-and-the-economy-of-entitlement/

65,000 women and allies purged from Reddit

Ffs.

For what

Talking about women’s rights ?

poletopole
Yes and unsurprisingly around 50% of them only decided they were transgender after being arrested which perhaps reduces the argument that a disproportionate number of transwomen are predators but rather increases the argument that men will say they are trans to access female spaces.

Do they really think they are helping the cause of trans people by being so aggressive.

From what I have seen of the posts from some of the mtf transitioners, this behaviour comes out eventually. Some, who visit too rarely, don’t resort to this type of interaction though.

It is always important to remember that there are plenty of mtf transitioners who are not on MN who respect women.

Grinitch, I lurk there too sometimes - for the same reasons as you I think. I do not agree with the vast majority of their content, but they are extremely useful as you say when the media is otherwise silent.
I am always unsure of just how much I can say, and what would earn me deletions. Thank you, I will have a look at those.

Yes, funny that *Smileyaxolotl1 isn`t it.

Bold fail, sorry!

winesalot
Oh I know. I follow many transwomen and transmen on Twitter who are just as keen on supporting women’s rights as I can and get abused for it.
I would never say to them they are not the sex they identify as or mid gender them as there is no need to and they have my respect. They never pretend they anything they are not.

poletopole

Thanks- I saw it.

Call for evidence from Government Equalities Office, individuals and organisations. You have until Feb 17th..... submit submit submit
committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/368/the-role-of-the-geo-embedding-equalities-across-government

littlbrowndog, yes. Simply for talking about the rights of women and girls.

To quote u/womenopausal, who is British and must be here, too, under some guise:

Reddit was never the most likely platform for radical feminism. Our subreddit jostled alongside hateful pornography with names like r/degradingholes, r/strugglefucking (previously r/rapingwomen) and r/MisogynistFantasies. And yet, somehow, for close to seven years, r/GenderCritical had flourished despite the toxic environment. Even being cheek-by-jowl with the most scabrous denizens of the Manosphere couldn't stem the joyous, intoxicating energy of a community ran for, and by, women.

But at the end of the day, it didn't matter who ran it or who they ran it for. It mattered who owned it.

Much longer explanation here:

ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/56/we-peaked-now-we-re-over-it