to think if they vaccinate teachers- they should also do shop and other key worker too?

[Pat123dev]

I understand teachers want vaccination, who wouldn't want it. But why are other key workers not being considered too? Shop workers, police force many others, must see 100s if not 1000s of people a day?
Or is that why they're not vaccinating them yet, because they're all exposed more than those at home and it's too big a group so best to stick vulnerable for the time being?

Education is, supposedly, a priority. Preventing outbreaks amongst school staff will keep schools open no child at a disadvantage when their school is closed and the one down the road is open.

lorry drivers

Ya wha? How is someone who spends most of their working day completely alone, more at risk than someone in a room with 30 other people @GintyMcGinty?

@Cabinfever10

I'm sorry but I don't think that teachers should jump the que nor do I think that shopworkers should either i know that this isn't a popular opinion but the lists were made up so the most at risk get the vaccine 1st we should stick to the list

I completely agree. I am a shop worker who has worked all the way through this. If they give it to us first it means putting someone more vulnerable further down the list. I'll wait my turn and yes I am scared . I would prefer it if everyone who came to our shop actually had to be there and also wore a mask.

Teachers being vaccinated is just to do with preventing whole classes from self-isolating so working parents don't have to take time off to look after the children.

I would like a vaccine sooner rather than later because I'm an SEN teacher and absolutely cannot distance myself from my pupils. However, I understand why I'm not due to get mine until phase 2, hopefully sometime in July or August, because I'm not CEV or over 50. I don't like it but I get it.

At least shop workers have a screen between them and the public. And shop workers wear a mask.
Primary teachers are close up and 1:1 with the children. They do not, generally wear masks so as not to worry children and so that children can see the staff's faces/mouths.

It gets incredibly complicated and slows the rollout for everyone if the queue, as it were, is arranged in the order of who works where.

Teachers and the police maybe easy enough to organise through work but if they prioritise retail staff then how will they even know who all those people are to be able to invite them in at the right time? And where do you draw the line? Taxi drivers, warehouse and distribution workers, food manufacturing and many, many more groups are at risk...

*@DioneTheDiabolist lorry drivers

Ya wha?hmmconfusedhmm How is someone who spends most of their working day completely alone, more at risk than someone in a room with 30 other people @GintyMcGinty?hmm*

You need to take question up with the Office of National Statistics who produced the report on who was dying of COVID.

@thegreenlight

Not this again. Shop workers and police are not stuck in small rooms with 34 people every day. If one of those people get covid then EVERYONE in the class has to self isolate. It is to stop transmission, not because teachers are special . It is impossible for teachers to maintain any sort of social distance. Our classrooms were designed to hold 30% less children than they actually do. You try socially distancing in that situation.

But vaccinating teachers won't achieve that, as if a child is found to be positive isolation will still need to happen.

I want the vaccination not to protect myself but to be able to offer some degree of protection to the vulnerable people that my job involves contact with.

However if it makes teachers feel safe (whatever that means in regards to covid) then I'm all for it. Not because I think it does make anything safer, but it offers the illusion of being so. Just like my covid secure office.

Yes you vaccinate teachers, otherwise we can’t get
Schools back. They should be next in line.

Should be nursery staff rather than teachers but unfortunately they don't appear to matter.
Just as a side though the general public appear to have no fucking idea how to socially distance so shop workers are at risk. At leas 40%of people can't wear a mask and then there are the ones who think it's fine to touch everything and spit at you.
Teachers shout the loudest that's all.

@Sh05

Not this again. Teachers cannot distance from their students, shop workers can. Teachers are in close quarters with atleast 30 children for long periods of time shop workers are not.. I could go on but I don't think I should have to

Yes this again, nursery staff are open to all children. Cuddles, lap sitting, nose wiping. We are still open. We are not closed. Nursery staff before teachers.

Only should be considered after phase 1 is completed that is groups 1 to 9 certainly not before

Are nursery staff dying in huge numbers? Having to isolate doesn’t interrupt a child’s education!

A nursery child that is

My daughter teaches in a special school, she suctions tracheostomies, deals with pump feeds, performs oral and nasal suction, and sometimes gets bitten or spat at. Why shouldn't she be vaccinated like other people providing personal care?

Agreed. I'm sick of the fucking lot of them. There are families struggling to such a degree that catching Covid is the least of their worries and all the politicians seem to care about is point scoring.

Contact in shops is transient. Even now I have up to 23 people in my small classroom with one small window open for 6 hours a day.

Name another job with similar conditions.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Are nursery staff dying in huge numbers? Having to isolate doesn’t interrupt a child’s education!

No more than teachers.. staff having to isolate effects the economy, mental health of parents and children, that is why they kept us open. We were told we were kept open to enable parents to work, are critical to the economy.

Having the vaccine doesn’t mean you don’t need to isolate following contact, so how would vaccinating teachers help keep classrooms open?

You need to take question up with the Office of National Statistics who produced the report on who was dying of COVID.

It's not just about dying though, it's about spreading.

For Pete’s sake @OnlyFoolsnMothers schools aren’t closed to protect one class teacher.....it’s to protect the 30-60 parents whom the pupils in those classes live with.

Schools are closed to stop spread of infection in the community, vaccinating teachers now will do bollocks all to stop that spread!!! And if it continues to spread, infections remain high and hospitalisations and deaths will remain high which means schools will have to be closed!! FFS

I wouldn’t necessarily object to teachers being vaccinated and I am very grateful for the work they always do, but it needs to be recognised that it is a political decision, not one that will have a material affect on the outcomes of this pandemic.

I agree, I think there is a long list of people who should come before teachers and I'm a teacher.

Despite some in my profession's determination to believe otherwise, we are less, not more, at risk than many other equally important workers.

I'm a teacher and I absolutely do not want to take priority for a vaccine from someone who is more vulnerable to Covid than I am. That is just wrong. I'm unlikely to be hospitalised from Covid. No underlying conditions. Why should I take priority over someone who might?

Plus, given the fact that there's no vaccine for kids yet, vaccinating school staff won't stop kids from picking it up from each other and passing it to their families.

Schools aren't shut because of risk to teachers. They're shut because of the possibility of wider community transmission when lots of kids mix. Even though a scientific study concluded that children spread this virus much less than adults (at about half the rate) stick 1000+ of them in a secondary school, on buses, and in similarly crowded environments and they will spread it. You only have to look at how the rate of infection skyrocketed when schools returned. Vaccinating school staff won't change that, and frankly, it's a bloody stupid, irresponsible idea of Starmer's given the lack of hospital capacity we currently have.

I am desperate to get back properly, and I am desperate for my own kids to get back properly. But that isn't the way.

Not this again.

‘No because they are not allowed to wear masks in class.’

This is untrue.