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To wonder why shoppers are surprised at post-Brexit customs and duties?

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Wherrsmaclickypen · 27/01/2021 16:18

Shoppers are apparently 'dismayed' 'shocked' and 'angry' to receive bills for import taxes and handling on their online shopping from the EU. It not just media reporting - there are lots of annoyed and confused comments on retail social media pages. Many are angry at the retailers for not posting UK specific warnings. 🤷🏻‍♀️

We have come out of the EU. What exactly did people think was going to happen?

PS If there are any pro-Brexit knitters out there, who enjoyed shopping at Hobbii, Ritohobby et al, you have brought this on yourself, and the rest of us.

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Wherrsmaclickypen · 28/01/2021 01:28

Sigh. European sellers of tobacco are required to apply UK vat and excise duty at source for UK customers. What I was referring to was the application of import duties, VAT and admin handling charges on general goods purchased from EU retailers. Or am I imagining that?

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justanotherneighinparadise · 28/01/2021 07:10

How have all the retainers ended up on this thread? Confused. Surely you should be on the EU vaccine thread telling us how much better life would be right now if we’d only hitched our wagon to the massive EU procurement drive?

Buddytheelf85 · 28/01/2021 07:26

How have all the retainers ended up on this thread? confused. Surely you should be on the EU vaccine thread telling us how much better life would be right now if we’d only hitched our wagon to the massive EU procurement drive?

There’s no doubt that it’s a huge stroke of luck for Boris and the other Brexiteers that we have the AZ vaccine. I expect Boris is thanking his lucky stars every day.

But I think the question to ask is ‘what would our position be outside the EU if we didn’t have the AZ vaccine?’ and the answer is very bad.

It illustrates how we’re screwed unless we can produce stuff on this fairly small island. We’ve been very fortunate with the vaccine. But there are lots of medicines we don’t produce here.

It’s worth remembering that scientists’ groups and the pharma industry were generally against Brexit, and there are reasons for that.

Gastropod · 28/01/2021 07:51

[quote Iflyaway]Yep, getting stung from UK to EU as well. I paid over 50 euros duty on a delivery from Holland and Barrett (worth 70 euros) recently.

They have Holland and Barrett in The Netherlands, including a webshop (only in Dutch). www.hollandandbarrett.nl/[/quote]
Thanks for that :-)
Somewhat annoyingly though, the EU-based site doesn't carry the same range. A few things I have been used to buying are only available from the UK site. And of course they were running their "penny" promotions so although I only paid full price on half the items, I was charged full duty on all of them. Oh well. I'll just have to find other suppliers!

HoopersHat · 28/01/2021 08:56

@Wherrsmaclickypen I have been planning on knitting a jumper and would like Sirri 3ply yarn from the Faroe Islands, it's the only place it's sold. Going to have to suck up the extra charges. Have found it really hard getting wool from WW lately everything I need is sold out.

bellinisurge · 28/01/2021 08:58

It's really weird. But it's possible to be cross about more than one thing.

"Retainer" 😂😂😂😂

HoneysuckIejasmine · 28/01/2021 09:11

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@Wherrsmaclickypen

I have always been able to import as much tobacco I wish from Spain, provided it was for my use.

I also couldn't have alcohol sent from France without paying duty.

Is that an exceptional regulated import?

BTW please reference the legislation when referring to the "regulations".[/quote]
Rich to ask for legislation when you've not provided any to say that the gift I sent to the EU would always have required duty and fees, as you claimed.

Emeraldshamrock · 28/01/2021 09:22

Paying duty has always been a thing on certain products cigarettes alcohol.
I feel for sellers from ebay/amazon/most online businesses from UK sellers.
I closed my prime & ebay accounts I won't be paying duty the long delivery delays too an upside is I'm saving more.

Roystonv · 28/01/2021 09:37

Apart from reading the deal agreed yourself and having the knowledge to understand the implications no one was ever told in clear easy to understand terms what would alter. I have not seen any simple summary of what to look out for/be aware of in daily life; what will always affect us and what may affect us for a while until it becomes the norm. I do not buy much online but am now worried about incurring costs unknowingly and feel traders should be under a legal obligation to make them clear. Small companies must be so confused with all the new requirements with nowhere to turn and the effect it will have on their business on top of Covid.

Emeraldshamrock · 28/01/2021 10:01

Most stores do make it clear, others won't deliver at all.
Finally got my dinner set 5 weeks later from Very it is usually a 3 day delivery.

Wherrsmaclickypen · 28/01/2021 12:18

For clarification I understand that this is a nightmare for some small businesses who are now facing paperwork and additional costs and I am not diminishing that at all, I was just asking specifically about the consumer experience.

As someone who has shopped and shipped globally I waa well aware for example of the challenges and price disincentives of buying from e.g. the US....more sophisticated operations being able to take charges up front and ship duty paid, some sending with the worry of those charges, including heavy admin charges at your door, or mostly just not shipping at all. So I wasnt surprised when this became the norm for EU purchases too.

VAT is a consumption tax across all member states at varying rates.
Technically, if VAT is being applied at source i.e. the price you pay for items on the website, and UK VAT being applied on import alongside other charges, I suppose the thinking is that you can apply to be reimbursed from the retailer which is a nightmare for the retailer, who knows. Or perhaps there are more changes to come.

Certainly it doesnt feel like a 'free trade' agreement as proclaimed, from a consumer perspective so I think it is understandable that this is why pps acknowledge this was unexpected.

Whether you were pro or anti Brexit it is surely possible to have a civilised discussion on whether this situation was always intended and if so whether it is a good thing, can be improved, or is a price worth paying for some benefit that I am personally struggling to see

Personally, I guess I loved the fact that ecommerce enables consumers to access global markets and thought that was a good thing, with appropriate duties paid seamlessly. But paying middlemen large charges simply for admin and paperwork is a bad thing and the opposite of frictionless trade.

Ho hum. Feel free to go back to truly unsavoury jingoistic squabbling about vaccines.

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user1467048527 · 28/01/2021 14:23

I always experience mild astonishment when someone says they voted leave and doesn’t then follow it up with some excuse about how they weren’t properly informed.

I mean, it’s now crystal clear that for the average person there is nothing worth having in Brexit.

Think I’d be keeping quiet about it.

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