To wonder why shoppers are surprised at post-Brexit customs and duties?

[Wherrsmaclickypen]

Shoppers are apparently 'dismayed' 'shocked' and 'angry' to receive bills for import taxes and handling on their online shopping from the EU. It not just media reporting - there are lots of annoyed and confused comments on retail social media pages. Many are angry at the retailers for not posting UK specific warnings. 🤷🏻‍♀️

We have come out of the EU. What exactly did people think was going to happen?

PS If there are any pro-Brexit knitters out there, who enjoyed shopping at Hobbii, Ritohobby et al, you have brought this on yourself, and the rest of us.

I'm not surprised, I've been buying British for along time now and where I haven't its been goods mostly from China since the majority of stuff comes from there or odd occasion America.

Some of this is nothing to do with Brexit. Most people who commit crime don’t go to prison. Irrespective of their nationality.

However, removing FOM Ford mean that the UK can more effectively control its border, and those with criminal convictions will be unlikely to get any kind of immigration status, nor a right to remain. I voted remain but frankly there was very little that was good about FOM and crime that came from EU countries.

All the costs, additional tax - the choice of the Government. We will be back in some years to negotiate with the EU anyway. It’s not over at all!

@VeniVidiWeeWee

How about Africa? Or the smaller nations? Why should they have to payvtariffs? What's wrong with free trade?

34 out of the 55 African countries fall under EBA.

Although you could ask Liz Truss what’s going on with Ghana now the transition period had ended?

www.fairtrade.org.uk/media-centre/news/lack-of-agreed-trade-deal-with-ghana-means-banana-farmers-will-face-tariffs/

The issue about removing fom it disadvantages uk citizens. It means that people can't work flexibly and the most likely outcome is skilled people will just emigrate to somewhere where its easier. Instead of young people coming here, we will have young people leaving here.

@Lincslady53

If you buy a vatable item from the EU it should be sold to you with no VAT. This is currently 21% in Belgium, 20% in France, and 19% in Germany. The uk VAT is then chargeable on the imported goods. Before Brexit the VAT was charged by the exporting company. So if the seller has charged you the price including VAT they have overcharged you, and you will pay double VAT so should query it with the seller.

Exactly and the same going the other way. I have a lot of EU customers moaning about paying VAT at their end but they seem to be ignoring the fact that they are no longer paying UK VAT on my products!

@SabrinaThwaite

Sorry, but what do you mean by EBA? I can find various definitions but none that make sense to me.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@SabrinaThwaite

Sorry, but what do you mean by EBA? I can find various definitions but none that make sense to me.[/quote]
If you don’t understand what EBA means then it explains why you are asking How about Africa? Or the smaller nations? Why should they have to payvtariffs? What's wrong with free trade

@SabrinaThwaite

European Banking Authority?
European Banking Association?
European Biogas Association?
Everything But Arms?
European Blood Alliance?
European Business Assembly?

Don't use abbreviations without first giving the full name. It isn't helpful.

If you had the slightest interest in tariff free quota free trade with developing nations then you’d know what EBA meant.

People are often surprised when administrative things like this change. It's not really to do with what they thought would happen with Brexit - it is an administrative annoyance.

But as far as it goes, there is nothing odd or wrong with someone wanting to be out of the EU, and also wanting a simpler system for managing orders of the kind being discussed. Or even wanting a trade area without the EU as such - it's not like the EU is only about trade.

PS If there are any pro-Brexit knitters out there, who enjoyed shopping at Hobbii, Ritohobby et al, you have brought this on yourself, and the rest of us.

That's a silly and non-useful thing to say. All kinds of policies and government initiatives can be good theoretically but handled poorly.

OK. I'm stupid. If it satisfies your misplaced sense of intellectual superiority to ignore a polite request for clarification crack on.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@honeysucklejasmine

As I posted above if the tax/ duties were different from country to country she may have had to pay whether we were in the EU or not. The fact it's a gift is irrelevant.[/quote]
Sorry, I've gone back through the thread and I can't find any concrete information posted by you regarding tariffs between countries within the EU? Do you mean "I speculated to another poster" because that's not especially helpful.

Anyway, I posted a gift of children's books to her last year too (no fees due) so we'll see if these ones escape it.

I am not dismayed, I did not vote for it either, i am angry though.

@VeniVidiWeeWee

OK. I'm stupid. If it satisfies your misplaced sense of intellectual superiority to ignore a polite request for clarification crack on.

No, I’m just fed up with people pissing and moaning about things they don’t understand and can’t educate themselves about.

I’ve given you three massive hints to solve your acronym.

Crack on yourself.

@SabrinaThwaite

It's obviously escaped your vast intelligence that I have tried to educate myself. I posted the results. I'm usually helpful to people who don't understand my posts, but I was obviously wrong to expect that of a Remainer.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@SabrinaThwaite

It's obviously escaped your vast intelligence that I have tried to educate myself. I posted the results. I'm usually helpful to people who don't understand my posts, but I was obviously wrong to expect that of a Remainer.[/quote]
“Remainer”?

Oh OK.

That explains a lot.

@SabrinaThwaite

So you voted leave then?

But why won't you tell me what your meaning of EBA is? Is it a state secret.

@ChestnutStuffing

People are often surprised when administrative things like this change. It's not really to do with what they thought would happen with Brexit - it is an administrative annoyance.

But as far as it goes, there is nothing odd or wrong with someone wanting to be out of the EU, and also wanting a simpler system for managing orders of the kind being discussed. Or even wanting a trade area without the EU as such - it's not like the EU is only about trade.

PS If there are any pro-Brexit knitters out there, who enjoyed shopping at Hobbii, Ritohobby et al, you have brought this on yourself, and the rest of us.

That's a silly and non-useful thing to say. All kinds of policies and government initiatives can be good theoretically but handled poorly.

these fine purveyors of knitting delights are merely concrete example of EU retailers whose UK customers are now surprised to be paying duties, a direct consequence of leaving the EU. How is that silly, or an example of poor handling? I thought it was a relatable example rather than a vague notion of shopping for 'cheap foreign stuff'......

@Wherrsmaclickypen

I suspect you didn't read my previous post. Paying duty has always been a "thing".

VeniVidiWeeWee
No. That is incorrect. The government did not require import duties, and customs handling charges were not applied on purchases from EU retailers until the new rules.

Really? Why am I paying £16.00 per pack of tobacco when it's €5,.25 in Spain.

Because tobacco is, and always has been an exceptional regulated import. And, it looks like it may cost even more soon theconversation.com/brexit-is-an-opportunity-to-stop-britons-smoking-150204

Yep, getting stung from UK to EU as well. I paid over 50 euros duty on a delivery from Holland and Barrett (worth 70 euros) recently.

They have Holland and Barrett in The Netherlands, including a webshop (only in Dutch). www.hollandandbarrett.nl/

@Wherrsmaclickypen

I have always been able to import as much tobacco I wish from Spain, provided it was for my use.

I also couldn't have alcohol sent from France without paying duty.

Is that an exceptional regulated import?

BTW please reference the legislation when referring to the "regulations".

Fuck it! We own our waters now (can't sell the fish but hey-ho) and we are sovereign! Woot!

Bleurrgggghh. Codswallop to coin my own name. We deserve it, stupid nation.