To wonder why shoppers are surprised at post-Brexit customs and duties?

[Wherrsmaclickypen]

Shoppers are apparently 'dismayed' 'shocked' and 'angry' to receive bills for import taxes and handling on their online shopping from the EU. It not just media reporting - there are lots of annoyed and confused comments on retail social media pages. Many are angry at the retailers for not posting UK specific warnings. 🤷🏻‍♀️

We have come out of the EU. What exactly did people think was going to happen?

PS If there are any pro-Brexit knitters out there, who enjoyed shopping at Hobbii, Ritohobby et al, you have brought this on yourself, and the rest of us.

The rest are convicted criminals living amongst us.

Link please.

I'm in EU. I knew Brexit would be shit but didn't even think about "small" things like this as I was more concerned about my pension and status and right to remain and inability to vote anymore. My U.K. bank account I had for 30 years has been closed. Streaming services like Prime and Britbox are no longer available. My EU free landline calls no longer cover the U.K. I cancelled my U.K. Prime account but dd will be upset that English books will now cost more. My kindle account thankfully seems to still work. I can no longer get a full U.K. shop in before returning home after a trip as dairy and meat products can no longer be imported. And it goes on. We can get a Next delivery here still but limited and ships from Germany. English exporters are fucked! It makes me furious.

@Theworldisfullofgs

We benefit from FoM. We have an older population and falling birth rate.

We benefitted massively through doctors coming here. It costs £163,000 to train a doctor and then more to get to consultant level. Add nurses, physios, care workers, the european banking community that used London as its base...

Most Brexiteers want to be able to pick and choose the immigrants who come here. I don't know any people who are against doctors coming

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/217474/criminal-histories-bulletin.pdf

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44207104

At least a quarter of British men (some studies say a third) have a criminal conviction. They're living among us too. Britain's crime rates are higher than a lot of other European countries, especially eastern European ones.

It was predicted by many many experts, clearly those moaning didn't get the memo or do their research!

There are too many to list. There are over 18000 criminals in the Uk from the EU. Hundreds of thousands of EU immigrants who are not net contributers. Strain on public services. Increased demand for housing. Etc.

I believe research on this suggested that EU migrants were very likely to be net contributors and non-EU migrants were less likely to be net contributors. Since the Brexit vote, net migration has remained broadly unchanged (so that doesn’t address your concerns about demand for services or housing) but EU migration has plummeted and non-EU migration has soared.

Also, you can’t debate the pros and cons of free movement in isolation. Because it came with the free movement of goods, capital, and services. Now, how might a country like the UK with a services-based economy benefit from free movement of services? scratches head

Or did you buy the fib that the EU would definitely give us free movement of goods, services and capital and just compromise on free movement? Because why wouldn’t they throw their founding principles out of the window for us?

bp300

Well you can't pick and choose. Loads of the doctors are leaving. Oh well.

@SabrinaThwaite

The rest are convicted criminals living amongst us.

Link please.

Just to help you out here,11,000,000 people in the UK have a criminal record.

www.ucas.com/file/189506/download?token=NOONtzwa

I agree experts said thgese things, but it's bizarre that the Remain campaign didn't focus on what we all stood to lose - I don't mean a more woolly/high-minded sense of belonging and sharing (though I liked that too) but that actual impedences and costs to all of us.

I agree tilder. And I feel like a twat that even as a staunch remainer myself, I wasn’t fully aware of how disastrous it would be, and deludedly thought a deal would mitigate things.

In your defence though, the deal could have been so much better, and it could have mitigated things. For the first year or so after the vote there was a lot of talk of a Norway-style deal, which would have been fine. Not as good as being in the EU, but fine. But then the Brexiteers realised that a Norway-style deal meant accepting free movement and we moved onto the ‘Brexit means Brexit’ nonsense. But even Theresa May’s deal was better than the one we got!

Most Brexiteers want to be able to pick and choose the immigrants who come here. I don't know any people who are against doctors coming

Here’s an idea - why doesn’t the U.K. permanently lift the cap on training its own doctors and just fund it properly?

Would be better than poaching doctors from developing countries surely?

I thought that’s what you Brexiters wanted?

@SabrinaThwaite

The rest are convicted criminals living amongst us.

Link please.

I can't find the link but this one in Guardian claims we failed to notify EU of 75000 convictions. amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/14/revealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16117849178827&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2F2020%2Fjan%2F14%2Frevealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions

I've just sent a parcel to an EU country - a birthday gift of English language children's books, direct from Amazon to my sister abroad. It was £22 incl post, and I marked it as a gift.

We wait with baited breath to see if my sister will have to pay a bill to receive it.

But it's ok, because sovereignty.

@SabrinaThwaite

Most Brexiteers want to be able to pick and choose the immigrants who come here. I don't know any people who are against doctors coming

Here’s an idea - why doesn’t the U.K. permanently lift the cap on training its own doctors and just fund it properly?

Would be better than poaching doctors from developing countries surely?

I thought that’s what you Brexiters wanted?

Yes that would be great.

@honeysucklejasmine

As I posted above if the tax/ duties were different from country to country she may have had to pay whether we were in the EU or not. The fact it's a gift is irrelevant.

@Daphnise

If you insist on buying foreign stuff, then you'll have to pay!

And please stop moaning.

Personally I don't judge things purely based on where they have been made any more than I judge people based on where they have been born. How they are made is quite important however. I am happy that if I buy from a reputable business this will help keep some working people fed, wherever they happen to live. I appreciated the freedom to make that choice at a reasonable and similar price to other people.

"Buying British" is rarely a credible alternative option. Very few 'British' companies ^make^ their products wholly or even partly in Britain. This is especially true of the clothing industry here, or what is left of it.

I am genuinely trying to work out any benefit to anyone here, all I can see is higher prices for British consumers, a pile of paperwork, bureacracy, tighter margins and more work for struggling British businesses who import either raw materials or finished goods from the EU. I can see the loss of one free movement trade deal which had tangible benefits for both Uk businesses and little old UK consumers but I cant see any new ones taking its place.

I CAN see opportunities for a select few to take advantage of new imbalances and gaps in the market by speculation or investment or profiteering but that builds a handful of new millionaires, not a stronger economy or jobs.

As for 'foreign stuff' the British Empire was literally built off the back of pillagingbuying and trading 'foreign stuff' but lets not go there.

I can't find the link but this one in Guardian claims we failed to notify EU of 75000 convictions

Sure.

Pales a bit though compared to 11 million people in the UK have a conviction? That’s over 20% of the adult population of the UK.

@Wherrsmaclickypen

But you don't. The EU is a protectionist body. They apply high tariffs to countries outside the bloc.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@Wherrsmaclickypen

But you don't. The EU is a protectionist body. They apply high tariffs to countries outside the bloc.[/quote]
Do they?

Once you take out countries with FTAs or bilateral agreements and the EBA countries ... who has (unfair) high tariffs?

I fully appreciate that EU conviction rates are lower than UK citizens but why would you want to import any criminals at all? I am in a favour of a points based system for immigration.

[quote VeniVidiWeeWee]@Wherrsmaclickypen

But you don't. The EU is a protectionist body. They apply high tariffs to countries outside the bloc.[/quote]
Sorry dont understand 'but you don't'`? Yes EU is protectionist and we have now left the EU. So we are left as a small single island that doesnt make much of our own stuff and now have to pay more for all that lovely European stuff. Is my understanding.

I fully appreciate that EU conviction rates are lower than UK citizens but why would you want to import any criminals at all? I am in a favour of a points based system for immigration.

Because it’s a minor disadvantage compared to the huge benefits EU membership brought (the right to live and work in the EU for our citizens, and the free movement of goods, capital and services).

Oh, and intelligence sharing with the EU. All the major crime prevention and security agencies were deeply opposed to Brexit, which should tell you something.

@bp300

I fully appreciate that EU conviction rates are lower than UK citizens but why would you want to import any criminals at all? I am in a favour of a points based system for immigration.

Nice word salad.

Why do you think EU country conviction rates are lower than the UK?

Points based immigration system - fine. Just as long as you realise that the minimum wage required is unlikely to fill the minimum wage jobs currently / previously filled by EU migrants.

How about Africa? Or the smaller nations? Why should they have to payvtariffs? What's wrong with free trade?