AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question

[Angryresister]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:
“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask

Fembot123 the word transvestite is considered offensive and transphobic now. Cross dressing comes under the trans umbrella according to Stonewall. Someone who would have been called a transvestite is transgender.

I am not offended personally, but mentioned it to save you from the die in a greasefire and being raped by girldick threats if you were to post that elsewhere.

Oh go on quaggers how do I know what I am ?

I was taught I was women because of biology , but if it's not that , what am I and how do I know ?

Given a choice , I'll be a man please
If its how I see myself, guess that's the same as other men
?????

The Stonewall definition of trans now goes WAY beyond what most people would generally think.

Fem your empathy naturally lies with those suffering dysphoria. As you described an
Individual who identifies as a woman would go through the hell of not fitting in anywhere, confusion, abuse physical and verbal, hormone therapy and potentially surgery

Gender identity has moved away from this now. It is much broader and includes lots of reasons for wanting to present differently (or indeed not present differently at all).

I think this is where many of us are finding the rub.

@PoleToPole

Fembot123 the word transvestite is considered offensive and transphobic now. Cross dressing comes under the trans umbrella according to Stonewall. Someone who would have been called a transvestite is transgender.

I am not offended personally, but mentioned it to save you from the die in a greasefire and being raped by girldick threats if you were to post that elsewhere.

I’ve never posted anything on the subject anywhere before today and I won’t be again 😂😂😂

I don't get why this was moved from AIBU. It had over 90% in agreement with the op. Annoying

Was 88% YANBU, 12% YABU just before it got pulled when I saw it

@Buccanarab have you followed the pages of violent threat that Rowling got. People are not free to discuss, if discussion results in threat.

@ShotgunShack

The Stonewall definition of trans now goes WAY beyond what most people would generally think.

Fem your empathy naturally lies with those suffering dysphoria. As you described an
Individual who identifies as a woman would go through the hell of not fitting in anywhere, confusion, abuse physical and verbal, hormone therapy and potentially surgery

Gender identity has moved away from this now. It is much broader and includes lots of reasons for wanting to present differently (or indeed not present differently at all).

I think this is where many of us are finding the rub.

Yes I can understand that, I wasn’t aware or posting in support of these new definitions.

I was asked for my definition and I answered you question based on my definition. Transvestites don’t identify as women.

Wrong again. Phillip/Pippa identifies as a woman on certain days of the week which is the whole problem with this identify as crap.

Someone who feels that they are and is transitioning

Thank you FemBot

SO -

What does to "feel" like to be a woman?

And what exactly is "transitioning"?

Because we need to define terms here.

[quote Fembot123]@BrumBoo, so be it then. As I said I haven’t said anything about anyone on here being transphobic or that I’m an expert by any means, I just made the mistake of giving my opinion 😂😂😂[/quote]
You didn't call anyone a transphobe, no. You did give the idea that you are on the TWAW side of the debate, so it was only right to point out that your later comments can and will be deemed transphobic by some. Because everything is transphobic.

So when we talk about transgender people, using the Stonewall umbrella definition, posters like fembot don't actually know who we're talking about, because they've decided for themselves that transgender people are those who are undergoing/have undergone physical transition such as drugs or surgery.

This would've been so much clearer if you'd even attempted to define trans women earlier! I just don't get why people are so unwilling to do this. The differentiation is obviously clear in your mind. Perhaps you know it excludes those who want to self-id as the opposite sex.

Because everything is transphobic

No, it's not.

@DeaconBoo

So when we talk about transgender people, using the Stonewall umbrella definition, posters like fembot don't actually know who we're talking about, because they've decided for themselves that transgender people are those who are undergoing/have undergone physical transition such as drugs or surgery.

This would've been so much clearer if you'd even attempted to define trans women earlier! I just don't get why people are so unwilling to do this. The differentiation is obviously clear in your mind. Perhaps you know it excludes those who want to self-id as the opposite sex.

I wasn’t unwilling, I’ve been absolutely bombarded by responses and questions and I’m trying my best to answer and make dinner.

@Quaagars

Because everything is transphobic No, it's not.

Oh yes it is

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

Yes I can understand that, I wasn’t aware or posting in support of these new definitions.

Ok Fembot. Does knowing what you know now about people like Bunce and the person I referred to (I don't want to face deletion for mentioning their name as I have been before) who are trans change how you would answer this question.

And again, to be clear. Helen was asking about whether a male with a penis should be able to use a 'communal' changing room beside a teenaged girl. Does any of what you have learned today change how you would answer this question? (and yes, communal changing rooms are still in use throughout the UK, this question is specifically about communal changing rooms)

@BrumBoo, I worked with a transgender woman and I had her in mind when I originally posted but as I said I’ve learnt a lot and I see why people are angry with Stonewall and the broadening definitions.

Fembot I can't speak for everyone on here but I have every sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, it must be very difficult to feel you were born in the wrong body.

My problem isn't with having sympathy for people with gender dysphoria , they deserve the right to live peacefully and without discrimination in access to employment / housing etc, as is already provided for by the Equality Act.

My problem, as I've mentioned previously, is the change in the meaning of the word woman to include not only those with gender dysphoria but also cross dressers or even men with beards who say they 'feel' like they are women. Any woman who questions this or who asks what a woman now is, if it fails to have the XX biological meaning it's always had, is no platformed or called a bigot.

This isn't about 'being kind' it's about language. Without language we can't protect our sex based rights.

It's not just about access to toilets it's about the fact that women have through the ages been discriminated against because of their biology. Extending the meaning of the word women so that it is a meaningless word acts to remove those protections.

I've never considered myself a feminist until now. Women need to stand up for themselves to protect their sex based rights.

This is not about transgender people.

Indeed.

As many sports, scholarships, prizes, competitions for women and girls now include anyone who identifies as a woman or girl

Oh well, if a random link says everything is, then it must be true.
Sounds like "Can't say owt nowadays, everything's racist nowadays!" or transphobic

Fembot123 I haven’t called anyone a transphobe or a bigot or claimed to be ‘woke’ I just gave my opinion ☺️ I’ve learnt some things though so that’s nice.

You said earlier that TW are women and that they should therefore have full access to women only spaces and services, didn't you? If that's the case then Phillip/Pippa Bunce comes under that definition.

DeaconBoo
I would suspect that Fembot is merely where people like myself were

• thinking that Transwomen meant post surgery
• thinking that transvestites were happy to be regarded as men
• UTTERLY unaware of the Queer theory misogyny
• thinking that Stonewall were about Gay rights, not oppressing Women

BUT
Once seen, the truth cannot be unseen

thevelvetchronicle.com/ny-democrats-quietly-dismantle-1-male-1-female-rule/

@Winesalot

Yes I can understand that, I wasn’t aware or posting in support of these new definitions.

Ok Fembot. Does knowing what you know now about people like Bunce and the person I referred to (I don't want to face deletion for mentioning their name as I have been before) who are trans change how you would answer this question.

And again, to be clear. Helen was asking about whether a male with a penis should be able to use a 'communal' changing room beside a teenaged girl. Does any of what you have learned today change how you would answer this question? (and yes, communal changing rooms are still in use throughout the UK, this question is specifically about communal changing rooms)

On balance, yes it would.

@Quaagars

Oh well, if a random link says everything is, then it must be true. Sounds like "Can't say owt nowadays, everything's racist nowadays!" or transphobic

A random link, as opposed to every link TRAs give for their side of the debate. Or none at all when they decide to shout 'urgh, just educate yourself' rather than give the clear, factual explanation they obviously have but would rather keep to themselves like some Holy Grail secret.

@RedDogsBeg

Fembot123 I haven’t called anyone a transphobe or a bigot or claimed to be ‘woke’ I just gave my opinion ☺️ I’ve learnt some things though so that’s nice.

You said earlier that TW are women and that they should therefore have full access to women only spaces and services, didn't you? If that's the case then Phillip/Pippa Bunce comes under that definition.

Not in my opinion and not in my definition, both of which is all I can answer to.

Yes and it’s not about transgender people.

It is about women and girls