AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question

[Angryresister]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:
“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask

[Jetatyeovilaerodrome]

Good post, I'm usually a lone voice when I say that so good to know there's others out there!

How can a post containing the words 'I know I'm a woman because I just know I am a woman' be a 'good post'?

Come the fuck on. The level round is higher than that.

And I'll ask you again, although I'm not holding my breath:
How can a male 'know' he is actually a woman? What is he basing that knowledge on?

[Blubellsarebells]

Men know how to treat women, and too often that is with contempt through to violence.
How do those men know who is a woman?
Who to talk down to?
Threaten? Harass, intimidate rape?
They cant read minds.
Posting again in the hope that someone might answer my question which also relates to the one above about baby girls.

[Thewithesarehere]

In my head I don't feel a day older than I did when I was 21. Objectively though I'm two decades older. Do all inner feelings change reality?

In my head, I feel like I own the universe and I am as smart as Marie Curie twice over actually. Do I and am I?

[ChattyLion]

Joody totally get your inclination to look for compromise, but these are binary decisions: men in or men out of women’s spaces. Children and teenagers kept away from male adults or not.

A red flag is that the people who really want to mix adult men in among women, children and teenagers in spaces labelled ‘for women’ and while they are changing or otherwise vulnerable, can’t ever seem to explain why this arrangement would be better than single-sex spaces are, for the women, children and teenagers concerned. It’s because there isn’t an upside and there are evidenced risks so instead they resort to women budge up, women shut up, you're transphobic if you object and other silly names and threats.

[ListeningQuietly]

Please remember

Around 90% of Transwomen keep their penis and testicles

also
I would suspect that newcomers to the issue are merely where people like myself were a year or two ago

• thinking that Transwomen meant post surgery
• thinking that transvestites were happy to be regarded as men
• UTTERLY unaware of the Queer theory misogyny
• thinking that Stonewall were about Gay rights, not oppressing Women

BUT
Once seen, the truth cannot be unseen

thevelvetchronicle.com/ny-democrats-quietly-dismantle-1-male-1-female-rule/

[Quaagars]

This post from @Quaagars is a living proof of why the education system of U.K. needs an overhaul
I am sure you can explain to me how the female reproductive system and all relevant assorted systems (hormonal, metabolic, immune and nervous) are interconnected
Please go on and explain how much you understand the biology of being a female

I'm perfectly aware that only biological women can give birth, thanks for assuming that I must be a dafty person who needs time out and more education though
Why can we not acknowledge trans men at the same time though?
I've given birth more than once.
I know that's what "makes me a woman." Having the biology to give birth, have periods etc.
I ALSO know that that's not all it is for me and someone else has said so too.
So, I'm just saying if that's the case for me and others, born the sex they are knowing it, surely it stands to reason that trans people could experience that too?

[littlbrowndog]

It’s very disrespectful of the millions of women and girls who have suffered prescicly for what is between their legs

[lifeturnsonadime]

@littlbrowndog

It’s very disrespectful of the millions of women and girls who have suffered prescicly for what is between their legs

absolutely.

[Thewithesarehere]

@Angryresister

withesarehere which question would you like me to ask? There are so many. I want to reinstate the voting button which has been removed from this one. Definitely of interest to women here on AIBU. I can’t inmagine wh6 some people think it wouldn’t be!

If you keep the same title and also quite the same question like in your OP, that should be safe enough.
Just add ‘2’ in front of the title.

[Blubellsarebells]

"It’s very disrespectful of the millions of women and girls who have suffered prescicly for what is between their legs"
And men are not doing genital checks or reading minds to check they are oppressing the right people.
Just how do they know??

[Whatwouldscullydo]

Does that mean you believe in pink/blue brains?

Cos brain cells will contain the same genetic information asneveey other cell kn the body as far as chromosomes/sex goes.

Brain scans aren't a diagnostic tool
Neither are blood tests
The only evidence we have is some ones say so , yet no one can define what these feelings actually are.

The body isn't wrong
Its not stereotypes
so what is it?

[Smiledwiththerisingsun]

Who will check the pants of said person?

[Quaagars]

Does that mean you believe in pink/blue brains?

No

[VegetableLove]

@Angryresister

withesarehere which question would you like me to ask? There are so many. I want to reinstate the voting button which has been removed from this one. Definitely of interest to women here on AIBU. I can’t inmagine wh6 some people think it wouldn’t be!

Do over the thread and put in a vote. This one is almost done anyway...

[Jetatyeovilaerodrome]

So, I'm just saying if that's the case for me and others, born the sex they are knowing it, surely it stands to reason that trans people could experience that too?

How can a male 'know' that he is a woman? What is he basing that knowledge on?

How does Malala Yousafzai know that she is a woman?

[Idratherberude]

[quote SweetPetrichor]@Idratherberude
The point I was trying to make still stands. If a person is transitioning or has transitioned, they are protected by the Equality Act - fair enough under the heading 'Gender Reassignment' rather than simply 'gender'...nitpicking but fair enough. The gender of a woman - including a man transitioning to be a woman - is protected. Hormonal and surgical interventions are not required. They are protected - rightly - by this act and are free to use the facilities that meet their presented gender.[/quote]
No... read what I wrote.
A male who has had gender reassignment and is now a transwoman would be treated fairly compared to any other male.

I fail to see what you are finding so difficult to grasp @SweetPetrichor.

[Quaagars]

How does Malala Yousafzai know that she is a woman?

Because of her female biology.
Has she ever said anything about being trans, though?
Why do you not get that some people are saying they are perfectly aware of their female biology, but sometimes it's something more at play as well?

[VegetableLove]

Why does it matter what is 'at play' when we are talking about MEN in the women's changing room with GIRLS???

[RedDogsBeg]

What is the something more?

[Blubellsarebells]

More like what though?
Without resorting to steroetypes.
No one has answered my question.

[AStudyinPink]

Why do you not get that some people are saying they are perfectly aware of their female biology, but sometimes it's something more at play as well?

I definitely get that they are saying it. Saying it doesn’t make it true.

[DickKerrLadies]

They can't be single gender because current theory says there are loads of genders: only this week I've seen 'authorities' on the issue state that there are variously 100 genders & an infinite number of genders.

So where do people with those genders go? How can they be on wards which are for men or women? Isn't having just two classes of wards awfully binary?

Well that's the thing isn't it? On the one hand we're told that gender isn't binary and it's a spectrum and on the other hand we're also told that people who don't identify with one gender role must be the 'opposite' gender, because if they're not one they must be the other.

A number of transwomen who have posted on MN have talked about how they believe that they are women because they do not identify with or believe they are men.

And I can understand not feeling like or identifying with the societal view of what one should be like based on nothing but their sex. As I've said before, I don't understand what it means to feel like or identify as a woman in a way that doesn't directly involve my biology. But that doesn't mean I'm a man. To me, it further proves what I feel like I've always known, that gender stereotypes are bullshit.

[OvaHere]

@Quaagars

How does Malala Yousafzai know that she is a woman?

Because of her female biology.
Has she ever said anything about being trans, though?
Why do you not get that some people are saying they are perfectly aware of their female biology, but sometimes it's something more at play as well?

So are you talking about a female essence then? A female soul?

[Nameitychangity]

I honestly don't think a third neutral 'space' would wither work or be acceptable for transwomen. Transwomen (of the TRA sort) truly believe they are women and as such would never be satisfied with a third space, because their 'feelings' would not be validated. Those transwomen are adamant that they ARE women and should have access to that space. I see a lot of those proposed third spaces lying empty and transwomen still using the female toilets/changing rooms.
It's all about power, and its all about making other people share the delusion. I am reminded of the Big Brother episodes with India Willoughby the trans celebrity, becoming enraged and strutting around screaming "I AM a WOMAN! I am a REAL WOMAN!" to anyone who would listen. Sorry, but words and beliefs do not make it so.

I will continue to teach my two daughters biological truth and fact, and counter some of the ABSOLUTE nonsense they are being taught and indoctrinated in at school, including the 'fact' that there are 150 odd genders etc.
I will continue to stand up for mine and their sex based freedoms and rights.

[Blubellsarebells]

Im astral gender.
Where are my toilets and changing rooms, all of which must have skylights.